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Topic: Bush ceding US ports to the enemy?
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 2 of 91 (289735)
02-23-2006 9:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Silent H
02-23-2006 9:11 AM
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And how can they be openly worried about border control with mexico, yet be fine with a foreign nation (which is not even a democracy) controlling six separate "borders", with no immediately accessible oversight? The security of the ports will not change. That being said, I'm split on this one. One the one hand this is ASSIVE profiling. It says alot that we are trying to get these middle eastern countries invovled in Capitalism, but we won't support one of those countries that is very involved in the capitalist process by saying "we don't trust Arabs." Why would the UAE spend 8 Billion dollars buying ports that they were going to blow up when they could blow it up just as easily now? Remember, the security of the ports will not change and the UAE has agreed to WHATEVER security measures we put in place. On the other hand, what are doing selling assets to a country that had ties with the Taliban and sent us 2 highjackers on 911? I vacillate on this one each time I hear side A or B. But I do wish you you'd stop blaming Bush for everything. The Whitehouse didn't know about the deal until it was finished. You call me a Bush apologist, I call you a Bush what-kind-we-blame-him-for-todayist.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 13 of 91 (289750)
02-23-2006 11:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 3 by crashfrog
02-23-2006 10:00 AM
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Oh, right. I mean, let's cut them some slack. They can hardly be expected to bother themselves about something as trivial as the security of six major US ports, whithout which our economy would crumble, right? It's hilarious the way you defend Bush, Tal. Everytime you try you just make them look even more like idiots.
I'm sorry if you take offense to facts. I know you don't like them, but they are reality. Go cry somewhere else.
I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving across a bridge with Ted Kennedy.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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But his administration was the one that made the deal. Allow me to correct you.
The ports are currently run by British ports and shipping firm P&O, which has agreed a $6.8bn (3.9bn) takeover by DP World. No webpage found at provided URL: http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4734728.stm That is who made the deal. It is a simple business deal between 2 businesses. Not some Government port sales agreement. This message has been edited by Tal, 02-23-2006 11:20 AM
I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving across a bridge with Ted Kennedy.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 17 of 91 (289755)
02-23-2006 11:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
02-23-2006 11:14 AM
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You'd think so, but the Bush administration was so intent on this deal going through that they've specifically waived many of the requirements foreign corporations must usually adhere to in order to do business here. DRIVEL. The Bush Administration DIDN't KNOW about the deal, didn't have anything to do with it, and they certaily din't waive any requirement for anything. If they did, please post a link and quote the source stating so. This debate forum still needs a little substantiation.
I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving across a bridge with Ted Kennedy.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 19 of 91 (289764)
02-23-2006 11:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog
02-23-2006 11:28 AM
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Link your source please.
I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving across a bridge with Ted Kennedy.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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I agree Dan, I was just arguing with Crash about her/his/its first reply. I know Bush supports the deal now.
I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving across a bridge with Ted Kennedy.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 28 of 91 (289782)
02-23-2006 11:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Jazzns
02-23-2006 11:50 AM
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You know, if this country (UAE) represents such a HUGE security risk and it is so detrimental to US interestes, you guys would have no objection to the Military going in and taking care of business in the UAE right?
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Re: WRONG
Yes, I stand corrected. The deal was approved through the proper channels by the administration. My original point was that Bush didn't know about it until after it was done. That was all.
I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving across a bridge with Ted Kennedy.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 44 of 91 (290135)
02-24-2006 2:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 43 by Silent H
02-24-2006 12:17 PM
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Re: WRONG
If that is true, isn't it problematic given the obvious security issues? What security issues?
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 60 of 91 (291441)
03-02-2006 10:24 AM
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Bill Clinton ceding US ports to the enemy?
Subscribe to read | Financial Times Bill Clinton, former US president, advised top officials from Dubai two weeks ago on how to address growing US concerns over the acquisition of five US container terminals by DP World. ADVERTISEMENT It came even as his wife, Senator Hillary Clinton, was leading efforts to derail the deal. Mr Clinton, who this week called the United Arab Emirates a “good ally to America”, advised Dubai’s leaders to propose a 45-day delay to allow for an intensive investigation of the acquisition, according to his spokesman.
I am stunned that Mr. Clinton would willingly subvert our nation's security. Call me crazy, but that sounds insane. /sarcasm off Thanks Bill.
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 62 of 91 (291445)
03-02-2006 10:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 58 by Silent H
02-26-2006 5:44 AM
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Video
Okay buz it is time to reign in the anti-Islamic rhetoric.
You may be correct that violent factions of Islam do pay more attention to the warlike passages of the Quran, and so use an interpretation you are suggesting. But that same thing occurs in fundamentalists of all religions (most notably the monotheistic ones), and it is not proper to extrapolate that everyone within such faiths believes in those singular interpretations or that that is what their religion is about.
Little Green Footballs Holmes. Take a look at this video of muslims protesting the Cartoons. It will chill you to the bones. My question is do you think this group represents a small violent faction of muslims? If so, why were these protests so vast and violent? My personal belief is that this is not a war against Islam, as some people like to believe, it is a war within Islam. Keep in mind that this is over a cartoon. "I find it funny that these death threats are treated as free speech while cartoons are considered on par with genocide." This message has been edited by Tal, 03-02-2006 10:34 AM
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 64 of 91 (291461)
03-02-2006 11:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 63 by Silent H
03-02-2006 10:51 AM
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Re: Video
I was threatened by an equally ludicrous crowd of Xians (including being blown up) for going to see a movie which wasn't even making fun of Xians or Xianity. So who is more outrageous? I dunno.
I think these islamic protests are far more widespread than Xians protesting to blow people up over a movie. (which movie was it?)
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 66 of 91 (291465)
03-02-2006 11:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Silent H
03-02-2006 11:07 AM
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Re: Video
That does not change the fact that Xians get riled up in the same way and threaten people with death over imagery.
You are dillusional or simply not intellectually honest. How many people were killed at the Last temptation protests? How much structural damage? This message has been edited by Tal, 03-02-2006 11:14 AM
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 69 of 91 (291475)
03-02-2006 11:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 67 by Silent H
03-02-2006 11:34 AM
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Re: Video
Do the research yourself. People were fire bombed. No. You are making the allegation, provide some evidence.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but its mainly the protestors getting killed, right? And who are killing them? Muslims. Hmmmmmm. Correct.
Again this does not change the fact that Xians get riled up in the same way and threaten people with death over imagery It is NOT the same.
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 71 of 91 (291504)
03-02-2006 1:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by Silent H
03-02-2006 12:10 PM
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Re: Video
You do not live in reality.
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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