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Author Topic:   Bush ceding US ports to the enemy?
Heathen
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Message 4 of 91 (289737)
02-23-2006 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Silent H
02-23-2006 9:11 AM


holmes writes:
how it is a good idea to allow a company owned by a foreign gov't to control six major seaports of the US. Call me crazy but that sounds insane.
Most of your ports are already controlled by foreign companies, British companies control many, while the singaporean govt own a company that controls about 4 or 5 ports on the west coast.
Security will still be the remit of the coastguard and the homeland security dept.
holmes writes:
as well as be infiltrated below the top leadership level.
Any company, even a US one could be infiltrated.
The way I see it, if this is defeated, i.e. this company is refused the contract purely because it is a mid-east company (and lets face it, that is the only reason) the gulf between the US and the mid east will widen, and resentment will grow further.
I'm not saying you should give them the contract to ease relations, but rather, the fact that they are a mid east company should merely ensure that security checks are tough and complete.
I feel myself agreeing with bush on this one... I think I'm gonna lie down..

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Heathen
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Message 5 of 91 (289738)
02-23-2006 10:09 AM
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02-23-2006 9:11 AM


I'm a little surprised at your stance here Holmes,
I'm not sure on what basis you consider the UAE a threat, simply because two of the 9/11 bombers were citizens? in that case stop all business with Irish companies too, because some of our citizens were terrorists.
Is it because the former government has tenuos links to terrorists? in that case stop all business with the UK, French, and indeed your own government.

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Heathen
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Message 12 of 91 (289747)
02-23-2006 11:09 AM
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02-23-2006 10:44 AM


I can see your points, but at the moment I'd agree with Jazzns that it is a bit of a knee jerk reaction
Whether the companies are government owned or privately owned in that country make little difference, if anything I'd venture that a government owned company would be more accountable.
If you have someone trying to infiltrate your ports, they'll do it whether it be government owned, privately owned, US run or Al qaeda run.
holmes writes:
I might add I have no idea what business issues the British have, but the UAE as a business owner has been cited for human and civil rights abuses.
The UK goverment Fuels, through its arms trade, many of the civil wars/conflicts around the world. they are not squeaky clean.
holmes writes:
I'm not claiming that the UAE is a threat, or that they have any ill intentions with this deal.
right.... so why the objection?
holmes writes:
And they will be in charge of employment for our ports? I can't wait to see their hiring practices regarding gays and women.
I would assume that if they are employing in your country they would have to abide by labour laws in your country.

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Heathen
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Message 31 of 91 (289793)
02-23-2006 12:25 PM
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02-23-2006 11:14 AM


crashfrog writes:
The Bush administration has essentially declared them off-limits to US courts. Seems to me like they could violate any law they liked and get away with it.
if true that is very disturbing indeed.

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Heathen
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Message 34 of 91 (289799)
02-23-2006 12:37 PM
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02-23-2006 11:49 AM


holmes writes:
What mechanism for accountability would there be?
fair enough.. that was just an "I suppose" on my part.
Seems to me though, and I stress "seems to me" that a government would be more accountable through things like trade agreements, the U.N. etc. than say two private companies battling it out without as much attention at government level.
But I am no expert and do not claim to be.
holmes writes:
The potential for problems to arise is greater with such a nationalized company
How so? do you mean specifically for a theocratic nation or just any nationalised company?
holmes writes:
A person working in the US under control of a company from that country may have a glass ceiling or even an iron one.
equally as likely and quite common in U.S. companies. a "glass ceiling" is not the exclusive trademark of a theocratic state owned company.

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