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crashfrog
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Message 3 of 91 (289736)
02-23-2006 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Tal
02-23-2006 9:49 AM


The Whitehouse didn't know about the deal until it was finished.
Oh, right. I mean, let's cut them some slack. They can hardly be expected to bother themselves about something as trivial as the security of six major US ports, whithout which our economy would crumble, right?
It's hilarious the way you defend Bush, Tal. Everytime you try you just make them look even more like idiots.

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crashfrog
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Message 15 of 91 (289752)
02-23-2006 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Heathen
02-23-2006 11:09 AM


I would assume that if they are employing in your country they would have to abide by labour laws in your country.
You'd think so, but the Bush administration was so intent on this deal going through that they've specifically waived many of the requirements foreign corporations must usually adhere to in order to do business here. I don't know that our labor laws are one of them, but since the requirement that the corporation maintain copies of its business records on US soil was waived, even if they violated our labor laws, they'd be essentially immune from prosecution - there'd be no way to push discovery because they're under no obligation to respond to subpoena.
The Bush administration has essentially declared them off-limits to US courts. Seems to me like they could violate any law they liked and get away with it.

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crashfrog
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Message 16 of 91 (289753)
02-23-2006 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Tal
02-23-2006 11:12 AM


I'm sorry if you take offense to facts. I know you don't like them, but they are reality.
I'm sorry, where did I challenge your facts? Your facts were absolutely correct - Bush is dangerously out-of-touch and out of the loop in his own administration.
What I didn't understand was why you think that constituted a defense.

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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 91 (289762)
02-23-2006 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Tal
02-23-2006 11:22 AM


The Bush Administration DIDN't KNOW about the deal, didn't have anything to do with it, and they certaily din't waive any requirement for anything.
Where do you get this stuff, Tal? Hannity? These statements are outright falsehoods.
From the Associated Press:
quote:
Arab Co., White House Had Secret Agreement
By TED BRIDIS (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
February 22, 2006 9:05 PM EST
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration secretly required a company in the United Arab Emirates to cooperate with future U.S. investigations before approving its takeover of operations at six American ports, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. It chose not to impose other, routine restrictions.
The administration did not require Dubai Ports to keep copies of business records on U.S. soil, where they would be subject to court orders. It also did not require the company to designate an American citizen to accommodate U.S. government requests. Outside legal experts said such obligations are routinely attached to U.S. approvals of foreign sales in other industries.
So, the administration are the ones who brokered the deal, they got to take a peek at some secret records, but we're just supposed to trust Bush that they won't do anything bad in the future, long after Bush himself is out of office, because Dubai Ports is essentially immune from prosecution in US courts.

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crashfrog
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Message 21 of 91 (289768)
02-23-2006 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Tal
02-23-2006 11:30 AM


Link your source please.
I've already sourced the article, it's up there in the byline. Looking up AP articles isn't that hard. Try Google News.

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crashfrog
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Message 30 of 91 (289786)
02-23-2006 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Tal
02-23-2006 11:59 AM


You know, if this country (UAE) represents such a HUGE security risk and it is so detrimental to US interestes, you guys would have no objection to the Military going in and taking care of business in the UAE right?
Just because I wouldn't trust a guy with the keys to my house doesn't mean I need to go over to his house with a gun and put one in his forhead.
But I guess the idea that there's a differential scale of threat didn't occur to you. Either we drop our drawers for somebody or we take 'em out. How simple it is in the world of the Republican.

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crashfrog
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Message 33 of 91 (289796)
02-23-2006 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Tal
02-23-2006 9:49 AM


The security of the ports will not change.
Which is a problem right there. I'm sure that the $600 million budgeted for port defense will go really far at each of the nations 359 ports. 66 of which have already been labeled as being "especially vulnerable to terrorist attacks":
We can’t find the page you are looking for.
I just think a little caution and review is warranted. The ports may already be a danger. Shouldn't we be cautious about turning them over to a government with even limited ties to terror?

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crashfrog
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Message 52 of 91 (290292)
02-25-2006 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by MangyTiger
02-24-2006 7:17 PM


Re: WRONG
How on earth can somebody who has a financial interest be allowed to be involved in the approval process?
That's compassionate conservatism. The Bush adminsitration believes it's unfair, and they're trying to reach out to those poor unfortunate souls who are disenfranchised from approval processes, simply because of a little ol' conflict of interest.

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crashfrog
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Message 53 of 91 (290301)
02-25-2006 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Silent H
02-23-2006 9:11 AM


So, it's actually 21 ports, not 6. That's a new detail coming out, I guess.

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crashfrog
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Message 68 of 91 (291474)
03-02-2006 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Tal
03-02-2006 10:24 AM


Re: Bill Clinton ceding US ports to the enemy?
I am stunned that Mr. Clinton would willingly subvert our nation's security.
Well, pardon me, but what he did according to your cite was convince Dubai Ports to consent to a 45-day review period, which wasn't going to happen, otherwise. Now we've got a chance to find out if the deal is dangerous and stop it if it is. Before, we wouldn't have found out until it was too late.
Looks to me like he did a lot more for our nation's security than Bush just did.

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crashfrog
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Message 79 of 91 (291752)
03-03-2006 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Tal
03-03-2006 9:16 AM


Re: Video
Are the following weapons of mass destruction?
Uranium for power plants? Sarin so degraded that the two GI's who got a faceful of it were back to their regular duties the next day?
No, I wouldn't say those are WMD's.

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crashfrog
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Message 82 of 91 (291816)
03-03-2006 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Tal
03-03-2006 9:48 AM


Re: Video
You and Crash simply are not intellectually honest.
Tal, there's absolutely nothing honest about you. You're a liar. Probably a disgrace to your uniform, if we can even believe that you wear one.
How much mass destruction did any of these things cause? How much more likely was it that they would fall into terrorist hands after the invasion than before?
Saddam was controlled. That's what the evidence says. He had re-admitted the inspectors but we invaded anyway. We've got memos all over the place laying out clearly the Administration's knowing plan to decieve the American people into supporting the war. And just like Democrats predicted, it's developed into civil war.

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