Resident Evil Apocalypse is better than women

I take severe umbrage at that. I say stupid things all the time!Seriously, though, I don't know how I managed to put my foot in my mouth to such a degree. What I was trying to say is that the public face of feminism seems a lot more interested in women "connecting with their vaginas" than in pay equity, reproductive choice, the elimination of barriers to employment, etc.It's gotten so bad that the most feminist women I know refuse to identfy as feminists, for fear of being connected to things like the Vagina Monologues. I think these things are distractions from the real issues of feminism.

Yeah, that kind of BS about sexuality and anti-male rhetoric is exactly what I'm talking about when I say 'femme-Nazi'.However, there's room to start a thread about that elsewhere.Ned in particular, I'm curious as to what you have to say about the original question of the post.

I don't think it's "anti-male", though. I've never said it was anti-male. I've known some hardcore feminists, some who were lesbians, but none of them are anti-male.As for "femme-Nazis", this is just a perjorative term that folks use when they're made uncomfortable by a woman asserting choice over her body, life, and career. There's no behavior that you would ascribe to one of your "femme-Nazis" that you wouldn't consider assertive and manly if a man was doing it.People like you seem to think that if a woman concentrates on the things that make her different than men, and the situations in which her differences might be advantagous, that that means she's "anti-man."

wait. are you male? you can't be a feminist!! evil! man!

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which was absolutely invaluable and that attitude was reflected in society prior to the 40's

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Bollocks. If something is valuable, we pay for it. We didn't (and don't) pay for it and so clearly society asserts its valueless.

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Seriously, though, I don't know how I managed to put my foot in my mouth to such a degree. What I was trying to say is that the public face of feminism seems a lot more interested in women "connecting with their vaginas" than in pay equity, reproductive choice, the elimination of barriers to employment, etc

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Yes but: thats because of the sterotype of feminists being bra-burning hairylegged lesbians. Thats not "telegenic", not fashionable for bourgeois society. The acceptable face of feminism must be pleasant, and nice, and fragrant, and of course, be primarily defined by consumerism.This message has been edited by contracycle, 09-17-2004 08:40 AM

I guess I don't see this obsession with vaginas and sexuality. I see lots of activity regarding abortion rights, but not quite enough regarding pay and benefits equity.I think we need to, unfortunately, make a division between academic feminism, in which these poor women seem to have to make their writings as unintelligable as possible in order to gain approval, and the regular, everyday, common sense feminism which is about fairness.I know you're with us, brother.

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wait. are you male? you can't be a feminist!! evil! man!

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I think it's you who are stuck somewhere, bren, WRT your view of feminism.In my entire circle of many friends, coworkers, and aquaintences who call themselves feminists (there are many men among them), none of them think men are evil or can't be feminists.Oh, and I think that contracycle has a good point WRT the valuation of woman's work in the home.Remember also, that when they were needed to work in the factories during WWII, many women got a taste of what it feels like to earn their own money and work outside the home and many realized that they liked it.Were they given a choice to keep their jobs when the men came back? No, they were forced out simply because they were women.I agree with you that there was a misguided attitude in which the job of homemaker was disrespected by the feminist movement during the 70's, but previously it wasn't even considered an option for a man to stay home with the kids and for the woman to be the primary breadwinner of the family, let alone expect him to do any of the housework or the childcare, let alone for a woman to want to not get married and concentrate on her career, etc.I would actually say that the seed of the 70's faminist movement was planted in those thousands of women who were forced out of those jobs
after WWII.There is an intersting book called "Perfection Salad" which examines the way US society tried to keep the 50's housewife happy by providing her with every modern convenience applience and food and by promoting the "domestic arts" and "home economics".Just who are these feminist who advocate the hatred of men?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 09-17-2004 09:22 AM

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I agree with you that there was a misguided attitude in which the job of homemaker was disrespected by the feminist movement during the 70's, but previously it wasn't even considered an option for a man to stay home with the kids and for the woman to be the primary breadwinner of the family, let alone expect him to do any of the housework or the childcare, let alone for a woman to want to not get married and concentrate on her career, etc.

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I would actually say that the seed of the 70's faminist movement was planted in those thousands of women who were forced out of those jobs
after WWII.

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no. in reality (ask someone who was alive then) women's working in the home was valued and required. they were viewed as whole and participating members of society. tons of women didn't get married and pursued careers. it just wasn't the norm. women controlled charities and schools and all kinds of things. true they weren't doctors etc. but so what? when they got a taste of factory work, they quit valuing their own contribution. i'm not saying women should be kept in the home, i'm just saying you've been brainwashed by post-feminist bullshit propaganda. which is what all my other comments are about. i don't care what you and your coworkers think, the mainline in women's studies is that men are evil, the masculine is brutish and somehow also clinical (science is bad... it was made by men... we need to make our own science based on feelings. no i'm not kidding.). what you and your coworkers think does not affect how modern feminist theory takes form. i also view myself as a feminist... but in the old way. modern feminism (note i've been distinguishing the two from the start) wants to raise women on a pedestal and oppress men. kind of like an affirmative action thing. they want to create a society with no hierarchy (because it's masculine and bad) and none of the things that the masculine society created. and this is the mainstream.

bullshit. so you want people to pay their wives to work in the home? they get fed don't they? they get clothed don't they? if you actually paid them, it would be prostitution. jesus you have a screwed up view of the world.

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bullshit. so you want people to pay their wives to work in the home? they get fed don't they? they get clothed don't they? if you actually paid them, it would be prostitution. jesus you have a screwed up view of the world.

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Snort; thats silly. Why is it that having sex with someone means you also have to wash their clothes and dishes for free? Is the penis that mighty? I said nothing about paying for sex at all, but if two people are fucking I don't see why only one of them is obliged to clean house.And as for "getting fed" and "getting clothed", thats about as barbaric a retort I can think of. That puts us back to the woman as dependant, who should be seen and not heard as the heroic male provides for her helpless self.

I haven't seen the movie yet. My 15 year old son wants to go so I will soon. Based on your description I want to see it even less than I did before (and I like explosions and cool fx's).I have had a lot of blind dates, almost all pleasant enough and some surprisingly so. However, when you are thrown into the company of someone that just isn't tolerable that can be dreadful. No movie can be so bad. That is true if they are male or female.In general, no movie is better than even a somewhat compatible woman. No way, no how, no chance.

At my age, a date, especially if she is blind, is great. If she has her own teeth that's a winner.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

I think it's part of a larger trend in youth activism; namely, a focus on masturbatory acts of "raising awareness" and "taking back the night", etc. - acts that don't take a lot of work to achieve meaningless, public results.It's easy to get 20 women to wander around their campus at night and feel "empowered." It's a lot harder to learn a black-belt in self-defense, which is how one really takes back the night. It's easy to toss up a card table in the cafeteria and "raise awareness" for reproductive choice and hand out condoms, etc. - it's a lot harder to get young women to contact their Congresspersons or become community leaders.I dunno, maybe it's just a college thing. At the age I'm at and the background I'm from, college students are the only feminists I see. You milage may vary, I guess. I think there is such a division (which explains perhaps the goofiness of college feminism) but unfortunately it seems to be the academic feminists who get in the papers and are allowed, for some reason, to be the public face of the movement.