Playboy made me do it

Hm. Well my gf doesn't wear makeup, doesn't dress in style, and doesn't pay much attention to hair styles (though obviously she doesn't let it look bad), and she gets plenty of attention. She also has armpit hair that shows and does not shave her legs.Your clues about men are simply clueless. I think most people will look at anyone who has obviously worked to put on a display. That does not mean they will always enjoy it. Personally I like girls with little or no makeup and not much in the way of a hairstyle, unless that style is almost no hair.My guess is you ain't rubbernecking on men that look like they flip burgers for a living, unless its in case they are going to attack you.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

If that pic was really of you graduating then you are hot. Guys do like big breasted women. Just as guys like small breasted women. The average ideal goes back and forth, and any particular man will have his own preferences. I can go both ways.If guys seem standoffish then it is not because of your breasts. I guess some guys may feel intimidated in that you have more to offer than they might, or assume you must have tons of guys already, but that is it. Trust me I know plenty of them that like 'em larger. I have heard the addage by some guys (that like em in between) that more than a handful is a waste. But then the response by others is that's why you have two hands and a mouth.Other than this disagreement, I agree with everything else you said.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

my 95lb friend doesn't wear makeup (except for pictures), doesn't dress in style, doesn't pay much attention to her hair style, and gets hit on all the time.same with most of the girls i know who don't pay much attention to those things. a man's head will snap around if he sees a poorly-dressed, poorly put-together wearing no makeup too. believe me, i have friends who've been known to cause car accidents.so no, men don't care. i can't believe you're even debating this with me. i'm a man. i don't care. other men here are voicing very similar opinions. tell me, as a woman, what can you possibly know about what men are thinking about?here, i'll lay it down, nice and simple. men aren't hard to understand. we look at women's bodies. all of it, generally. our attention is held by shape, posture, movement, and skin. makeup and clothing don't have much to do with it. women look sexiest to us when they are comfortable, in comfortable clothes and shoes. makeup is generally an undesired feature ("what is she hiding?"). personally, i find makeup unattractive.

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really? huh. like i said, i look down on everyone, so it's hard to tell/

speaking of which, i really wanna try that vietnamese restaurant sometime. you game? thank god someone said it. on the same token, dresses seem to be made with larger boobs sizes in mind. i went out with peppy today, and she saw this dress in a window. went in to try it on, but decided she didn't have the boobs to fill it out.i think our problem is with the fashion industry, not playboy. excercise is cathartic. it makes people feel good. sit around all day, and you'll be depressed. excercise is good -- part of the problem is that we don't move enough. we sit here at our computers. we sit in the car. we sit in the movies. we sit at the couch. no wonder the only thing we develop are asses.

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yes. people who dress badly like slobs tend to leave a poor impression at job interviews. do yourself a huge favor, and watch "what not to wear" on tlc sometime. they routinely dress people with funny body shapes in good clothes, and every one of them pulls it off. body shape has NOTHING to do with dressing well.

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let's talk some sense for a second.

1. playboy is marketed to men. in fact pretty stricly to men. any impact on women has to be indirect, men to women. shcraf is basically arguing that men expect certain things of women, and the men in this thread (as well as some women, i suspect) are demonstrating that's pretty much not true. this appears to be the feminist philosophy of "blame men for your problems; everything in society is their fault anyways."
2. playboy's ceo is... a woman. that's right, playboy is run by christie hefner, not hugh. got that? if playboy's to blame for setting the image standard, blame the WOMAN in charge.
3. playboy, evidently, does NOT set the image standard, as demonstrated by kate winslet. and probably my 95lb friend, who you will probably never see the likes of in playboy.
4. there is a media much more directed to women specifically, which is all about how to dress and act (in bed) to please men. it stands to reason that this media would be much more to blame for poor self-image than anything else. so let's take a look, shall we?

contrary to what the cover might lead you to believe, women don't read cosmo to find out what men are thinking. rather, men read cosmo to find out the hell our girlfriends are thinking.and let me tell you, we are appalled.

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gimme a little while to get a better job then i'm game. on that note, paul bought a polish cookbook so i might get daring.

the q is 5'10" the p is 5'2". see the difference?

*blushes*i'm just trying to demonstrate, though, that the idea that many have that big boobs will change the world is a flaming pile of poo.

ah yes, i see.

If you're seeing the makeup then you're looking at a woman who doesn't know how to apply it. What you're thinking of as "no makeup" actually represents a fair amount of makeup. This is what you learn if you do any serious textbook study into makeup.

i know. the major principle of makeup is that it shouldn't be noticeable.however, i am a photographer, and an artist. my major skill is looking at things. i notice makeup where other people might not. what i'm thinking of as "no makeup" is very, very little to no makeup.

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Look, I once dropped 250 for an iPod Mini. Did I need one? Probably not; objectively there are better MP3 players out there. Probably I was influenced by how cool people think they are.But I bought one anyway; it was my money to spend on what I pleased.These women wanted something. So long as they were appraised of the risks and chose to do it anyway, who are any of you to second-guess them? Freedom means that some people are going to do things you think are stupid or risky. Vagina reduction surgery? Yeah, people should be satisfied with the body that they have. But that doesn't always work for everybody. Nobody compelled these women to have surgery; a few rude remarks don't make your free will evaporate.

I'm just saying that that pic was a pretty good counterargument, an educated woman with bog boobs apparently might change the world... no?Perhaps you'll have to give more demonstrations.This message has been edited by holmes, 07-18-2005 04:04 AM

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)