Global Warming & the Flood

I'm reading your posts. How does water travel at 18,000 mph without turning to steam?(actually I'm going easy on you there - it has to be traveling at far great speeds than that to push the earth out of the way).

it's just that you're wrong.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

In the cases of the larger pieces? Perhaps nothing. These would be like giant meteorite impacts. Very disasterous. Maybe moving the earth some fraction of an inch in one direction or another...nothing too bad from the perspective of the earth itself...something horrible if your a living organism ON the earth NEAR the impact site., of course.I imagine most of the affected earth would turn to particles during this, though -- providing, to some extent, the nuclei for the raindrops to condense upon.--Jason

I haven't had a chance to consider the water-turns-to-steam idea, yet. I don't know if that's correct or incorrect or how it would affect my idea. However, that is the water on the way up. Right now I'm all bogged down with problems about the water on-the-way down.I'll have to think on it awhile. I might not have anything intelligent about it to say. Good question.Hey, the questions about the rain making tremendous heat are good questions. I just, at this point, think that they are all wrong.--Jason

Correct or incorrect!!??You want the water to get into orbit to release heat - it HAS to travel at 18,000mph - that's the start,middle and end of it. It affects your idea because it's makes it impossible to get to the next stage.You need to solve that problem before I'm even bothered to discuss your next problem.

dropping an apple moves the earth by the teensiest bit. The distance is so small it requires scientific notation to describe it -- I forget the number or even how to calculate...but I do remember discussing this in physics.Collision transfers kinetic energy between the colliding objects. Dropping an apple causes the apple (object A) to collide with the earth (object B).It is the ridiculously huge difference in mass between the apple and the earth that makes this seem as though it is not so.--Jason

Those multiple impacts would throw up tonnes of earth and dust into the air.How do you play to handwave away the nuclear winter you've just caused?

Is that meant to be addressed to someone else?

ooops. sorry. I misunderstood this comment of yours: I thought you were referring to my discussion about rain drops moving the Earth (i.e., the planet Earth). I now realize you are talking about water bursting out of the earth (i.e., ground)--Jason

Crash, the shuttle is braking all the way down. At first it is using the air resistance to do so. Once on the runway, it is using actual brakes.Braking DOES convert ALL kinetic energy to heat. This is done because people do not wish to transfer all their kinetic energy directly to another massive object -- the earth in the case of the falling shuttle.You are mostly right in this part, but when you say "no matter what" that makes it incorrect. Braking converts the shuttle's kinetic energy to heat. Impact would transfer the shuttle's kinetic energy to the earth. The impact would also involve tremendous amounts of friction, which will convert SOME of the kinetic energy into heat.

Unfortunately, I haven't quite finalized all my handwaving plans for this idea...I'm afraid the nuclear-winter handwaving plan is still incomplete at this time.Just joshing ya.

No problem but remember you have a 5000 year timeframe you want all this to fit into (unless I got that wrong and you don't believe in a YEC?)

That's probably why you're having such problems with the heat issues. You're working your models with heatless point objects instead of objects made of atoms. No, because you've only canceled out direction, not magnitude. If you strike both sides of a billiard ball, the ball doesn't move, sure, but the ball does heat up. The kinetic energy you've imparted in both strikes isn't canceled out; but it's direction is scrambled and imparted to each atom in sepearate directions.Motion of individual atoms is called "heat." And heating the Earth, imperceptibly. Yes, of course. And in this case the kinetic energy of the water is transferred into the kinetic energy of heat, with catastrophic consequences for all living things. Since things live yet we know your model did not occur.

Not really all that different, which is why objects heat up when they impact something. Bullets aren't hot until they strike a target, for instance. The billiard balls heat up from the impact as you play pool. See?

Right, because the transfer of all that kinetic energy would result in an enormous amount of heat. That's what heat is - kinetic energy.This is a picture of Barringer Crater ("Meteor Crater"), a popular tourist destination in Arizona.The Barringer impact mass was neither as large as the mass you're talking about, nor traveling as fast, and impacted Arizona as a cloud of shards (having broken up and partially vaporized during entry), but it hit Arizona with the force of 2.5 megatons of TNT, roughly 150 times the explosive yield of the atomic devices that leveled Nagasaki and Hiroshima.Every living thing within 4 km was vaporized instantly, and a massive fireball scorched every plant, animal, and rock within 10km. The Earth didn't move; the meteor didn't bounce back up into space at its exact velocity; neither did any one of a dozen physically ridiculous scenarios you've proposed occur. The kinetic energy of the Barringer meteorite was indeed transferred to the Earth; it was transferred as the kinetic energy of heat.Heat is the inevitable result of the velocities and masses you're proposing. Simplistic high school physics demonstrations that treat billiard balls as perfect, undeformable spheres with no internal or external friction aren't going to be a help for you. If your model doesn't take into account the kinetic theory of matter - if you refuse to treat objects as actually being composed of atoms, for Christ's sake - then absolutely nothing about your models is going to be accurate. added width attribute to img tag to fix page width - The QueenThis message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 07-30-2005 10:11 AM