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Author Topic:   Teacher Fired for Disagreeing With Literal Interpretation of Bible
nator
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Message 40 of 78 (427609)
10-12-2007 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
09-25-2007 10:20 PM


Re: The Plot Thickens A Bit
quote:
He should have been more tactful. I am not a Biblical literalist, but if someone told me that..say...the Virgin Birth was a fairytale, I'd sue them too.
Keyword: RESPECT
So, if a professor told a creationist that the Noachian Flood was a fairytale, should the Creationist sue them?

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 50 of 78 (436982)
11-28-2007 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Beretta
11-28-2007 11:05 AM


Re: The Plot Thickens A Bit
quote:
get rid of the flood and accept evolution over millions of years - that destroys the gospel entirely.
Really? How so?
I mean, how does the Flood being an instructive morality tale and the ToE being true destroy, say:
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." (NIV, Mark 12:28-31).
?
Or, how does realizing that unicorns don't exist, rabbits don't chew cud, and bats are not birds make the following invalid:
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" (Matthew 22:36-38)
?

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 52 of 78 (437184)
11-29-2007 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Beretta
11-29-2007 1:38 AM


Re: The Plot Thickens A Bit
I'm sorry, but you didn't answer my specific questions.
I'd like to know the specific, detailed reasoning why you believe the following Boble verses are invalidated if alleles in populations change over time:
I mean, how does the Flood being an instructive morality tale and the ToE being true destroy, say:
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." (NIV, Mark 12:28-31).
Specifically, how is this passage invalidated if alleles in populations change over time, or if the flood was a myth?
Are you really saying that you cannot treat others as you would want to be treated, if the flood story was mythical, or if alleles change in populations over time?
Or, how does realizing that unicorns don't exist, rabbits don't chew cud, and bats are not birds make the following invalid:
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" (Matthew 22:36-38)
Specifically, how is the above passage invalidated if we now understand that unicorns don't exist, rabbits do not chew cud, and bats are not birds?
Are you really saying that if unicorns do not exist, you can't love God?
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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nator
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Message 53 of 78 (437186)
11-29-2007 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Beretta
11-29-2007 1:38 AM


Re: The Plot Thickens A Bit
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Evolution also breeds racism -other people groups are inferior -they're behind on the evolutionary scale -do they deserve to survive? Hitler had the answer to that.
Er, racism and the idea that other groups are inferior was present long, long, long before Darwin came along.
We see it right there in the Bible, in fact. Plenty of slavery, racism, hatred of women, hatred of gentiles, bloodthirsty genocidal cruelty done in God's name by his chosen people, etc. are in the Bible.
Hitler had NOTHING on God in the genocide department.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 60 of 78 (437350)
11-29-2007 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Beretta
11-29-2007 8:57 AM


Re: The Plot Thickens A Bit
quote:
My point is either the Bible was inspired by God and is the Word of God or it is not. If it is not and the flood and everything else is not true, then we can pick and choose what to believe. Then you might as well go for evolution.
Right, but you already pick and choose, don't you?
Do you believe unicorns exist?
Do you believe that if animals breed in view of a pole made of a certain kind of wood that their offspring will be spotted?
Do you believe that rabbits chew the cud?
No?
Then you already pick and choose what you believe in the Bible.
But again, you didn't answer my specific questions about the specific passages I quoted:
I'm sorry, but you didn't answer my specific questions.
I'd like to know the specific, detailed reasoning why you believe the following Bible verses are invalidated if alleles in populations change over time.
I mean, how does the Flood being an instructive morality tale and the ToE being true destroy, say:
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." (NIV, Mark 12:28-31).
Specifically, how is this passage invalidated if alleles in populations change over time, or if the flood was a myth?
Are you really saying that you cannot treat others as you would want to be treated, if the flood story was mythical, or if alleles change in populations over time?
Or, how does realizing that unicorns don't exist, rabbits don't chew cud, and bats are not birds make the following invalid:
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" (Matthew 22:36-38)
Specifically, how is the above passage invalidated if we now understand that unicorns don't exist, rabbits do not chew cud, and bats are not birds?
Are you really saying that if unicorns do not exist, you can't love God?

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 61 of 78 (437356)
11-29-2007 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Beretta
11-29-2007 9:07 AM


Re: The Plot Thickens A Bit
Er, racism and the idea that other groups are inferior was present long, long, long before Darwin came along.
quote:
Yes and the concept of evolution and survival of the fittest propogates it.
So you agree that racism is all throughout the bible, correct?
The ToE has been misused, just as religions have, to promote racism, it is true. The ToE itself, contrary to many religions, is not racist.
Please explain how, "the change in allele frequencies in populations over time" is a racist statement.
The quoted phrase above is a basic definition of evolution.
We see it right there in the Bible, in fact. Plenty of slavery, racism, hatred of women, hatred of gentiles, bloodthirsty genocidal cruelty done in God's name by his chosen people, etc. are in the Bible.
quote:
All very human which is why the ten commandments were given - to show us what we should be doing so that we can see why we need a saviour when we keep screwing up.
Except that the rape, pillage, slavery, genocide, and murder happens before, during, and after the ten commandments are given to Moses, IIRC.
God's a bloodthirsty, cruel tyrant all over the OT, Beretta.
quote:
So God allowed rampant evil to be destroyed, why can't he, he made us.By the way, he's coming back. In the meantime, men kill men because they don't believe God,
Oh? Like in Ireland, The Balkans, and the middle east?
Those Atheistic lands?
The point is, Beretta, Darwin and Evolution didn't usher in a whole new age of genocide, racism, or cruelty. Your Bible and lots of other religions were doing the genocide and murder and slavery things for thousands of years before Darwin.
Why don't you try being honest about the violent and genocidal and cruel history of your own religion instead of blaming everything on a scientific theory.
You might as well blame the 9/11 WTC bombings on the Wright Brothers.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 65 of 78 (438062)
12-02-2007 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Beretta
12-02-2007 9:00 AM


Re: The Plot Thickens A Bit
quote:
The ToE is a philosophy with racist connotations
The ToE is not a "philosophy", it is a scientific theory of Biology.
I am sorry, but you haven't answered the question.
Please explain how, "the change in allele frequencies in populations over time" is a racist statement.

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