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Topic: General discussion of moderation procedures: The Sequel
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 55 of 300 (216191)
06-11-2005 3:18 PM
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Faith Crosses The Line!!!!
So hitchy gets a full on 24 hour suspension for a tini little snipe but Faith gets to say this at
Message 95 {I don't know why this link is not working. It is post 95 in the Academic Bill Of Rights thread}
{Fixed link - Topic number changed from "11" to "113". - Adminnemooseus} You are the anti-intellectual kneejerk mindless accuser of people who has no respect for anything decent, you and most others here. Anyone who can say that it could possibly be objective fact that Bush is a war criminal has no respect for true intellect, for clear thought, no respect for the majority of decent Americans who voted for him, no respect for human beings, period, no respect for truth, for reason, for reality, no mind, no heart, no human decency. No respect for the American values of tolerance and giving the benefit of the doubt and treating your opponent with respect. No respect for American freedoms. The Leftist propaganda juggernaut is destroying everything true and good in this country and you and most others here are just riding along on it, blindly, unthinkingly, having NO idea of the true source of its evil anti-American smear campaign, while a very few of us have the guts to look it in the face and call it what it is. It's insanity, it's lies, it's evil. Get an education in what matters. I am not trying to be a tattle and I am not known for my objections about other posters stype but this has gotten outrageous! I will seriously have to question the objectivity of the administration of this board if nothing is done about Faith's behavior in that thread. That post was simply the pinnacle of disrespect displayed by her to her fellow posters. I know of at least 2 admin alter-egos who are posting in that thread. If you going to enforce the rules then enforce the damn rules. That thread actually had a reasonable discussion going on before it was hijacked by petty slander. Now an important issue is mired in invective. I guess if it is the goal to allow agitators to dive bomb a good thread into obsecurity then this has been achieved. This message has been edited by Jazzns, 06-11-2005 01:22 PM This message has been edited by Jazzns, 06-11-2005 01:26 PM This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 06-11-2005 03:40 PM
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 75 of 300 (224890)
07-20-2005 12:41 PM
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At what point do we draw the line?
Seriously. Is CanadianSteve going to be allowed to have his new thread on Islam? I am all for talking about controversial things but this is bordering on outright hate speech. I personally don't have the time and energy to confront something so disgusting of that magnitude. Can I please get a moderator opinion on this?
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 77 of 300 (224905)
07-20-2005 1:48 PM
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Re: CS's Islam Thread
Thanks very much Percy. You of all people have an interest in keeping this place reputable. I appreciate it more than I think you can know.
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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What to do?
You were censored because you defied topic promotion procedures. Now you claim that you are being maltreated? This place has rules. If you don't like it here, leave.
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 86 of 300 (224939)
07-20-2005 4:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
07-20-2005 2:33 PM
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Re: What to do?
THe problem is the he proposed the exact same topic via the topic proposal and it was explicitly rejected. Therefore his submission to the coffee house was a circumvention of the process.
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 87 of 300 (224940)
07-20-2005 4:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
07-20-2005 2:40 PM
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Re: What to do?
I don't want to get in to it with you about this topic. We already had our spat back in the day about Islam. Leave it at that. In my opinion the topic was blatantly racist. If it is the decision of the adminstration of this forum that they would like to allow hate speech discussions on this forum then that is their perogative. Since I know that hate speech discussion are a form of nonsense discussion I figured I would try to point that out to the admins to get this disgusting filth off of a forum I have enjoyed for some time now. You can take that any way you want to Faith. I really don't care.
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Re: What to do?
In your opinion you have a well reasoned argument. In my opinion you have hate filled garbage based on pure selective reasoning and evidence. We will let the Admins decide from here what is allowed. Regardless my opinion stands. I really do hope you leave. You can take whatever sense of martyrdom you like on your way out the door. As far as I am concerned there is no room for nonsense discussions on this board and hate speech is one of them.
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 93 of 300 (225139)
07-21-2005 1:22 PM
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I have a moderating procedure request.
If CS's thread does get off the ground. He should be required to address holmes' refutation of the "war verses". Critical to his argument is this notion that Islam requires conversion by the sword which holmes refuted by showing both the context of the scriptures that were correctly referenced and pointing out that some of CS quoted scriptures did not match the sura and verse number. Given that the Forum Guidelines requires refutations be address I think all I am asking is for the moderators to enforce their own rules. Let keep the debate honest here. Thanks a million!
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 102 of 300 (225574)
07-22-2005 5:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 101 by AdminJar
07-22-2005 12:46 PM
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Re: Warning
Can I get a moderator response to my suggestion?
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| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 101 by AdminJar, posted 07-22-2005 12:46 PM | | AdminJar has replied |
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 128 of 300 (225766)
07-23-2005 5:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by AdminJar
07-22-2005 7:28 PM
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Re: Suggestion? What suggestion?
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 150 of 300 (227124)
07-28-2005 2:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 131 by AdminJar
07-24-2005 2:12 AM
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Re: Suggestion? What suggestion?
I am formally requesting moderator intervention in the Does Islam need a Reformation? with regards to CanadianSteve's most recent post Message 63. In particular, the claim was made in Message 4 of the following:
CanadianSteve writes:
I have heard that said, and hope it to be true. But millions upon millions of Muslims disagree with that interpretaion. Indeed, the global islamist movement completely disagrees. They argue that the House of Islam / House of War notion means that any who do not accept Islam have declared war upon it. Therefore, it is defensive for Muslims to attack non Muslims who refuse to accept the faith. Moreover, most the Sword Verses makes no reference to the argument, drowned out by all the other passages that state otherwise. My view is this: Islam has much that is wonderful, peaceful, spiritual. But the Sword Verses, much of Sharia Law, and much of the Hadith, are calls to war and oppression of Muslims and non Muslims both. References were later given for the war verses in post Message 6 I responded in Message 9 with a rebuttal to CS's source showing that the context of the verses explicitly show them to be about defensive aggression. I requested that the context of the verses in his source be address. Instead I recieved the most recent post linked above which does nothing to address the specific challange of the war verses in the context of the rest of the suras. Thank you.
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Re: Suggestion? What suggestion?
CS, in no way do I mean this with malice. I feel that you sincerely have a problem understanding what it means to address specific points or questions. In many of my posts I asked you to respond to a specific point. If it was not clear what that point was then it would have been better to ask me to clarify rather than simply stating that you did respond. I also asked you many specific questions in order to drill down how we tread definitions. None of these questions were answered. None of the analogies that I specifically requested you to address were given any attention. With all due respect. All this behavior does it strengthen my first impression of you. You most recent posts have seemed more open minded and thus I am attempting to reach out to try to understand where we are butting heads but I remain skeptical. Also, by the demonstration of the last post and others before it you do not seem to be grasping how this board operates. This topic of this thread is moderating procedures not the definition of 'jihad'. We as a community here value not having discussions fragmented into threads where they do not belong. Some cases of this are not so clear but this in particular is a thread discussing how the other threads on the forum are moderated and cannot be confused as a place to continue the discussion. Once again, no malice intended by this post. I hope you take it as constructive criticism.
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 154 of 300 (227347)
07-29-2005 12:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 151 by Admin
07-28-2005 3:02 PM
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Re: Suggestion? What suggestion?
Just to clarify Percy. This issue is not that we disagree on the definition, that is exactly what the sub-debate is. The issue is that my points about how we should define the word are being ignored after specifically requesting they be addressed. It is my understanding that, although we are lax about it sometimes, that posters are required to address specific points and rebuttals raised in debate. Is this not true? If you don't want to investigate the issue can another moderator do so please?
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 162 of 300 (228545)
08-01-2005 4:46 PM
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Off topic from the science vs religious fora thread
Message 62 Admin, you listed this as off topic. I can sort of agree with some of it but specifically my concern was given that her type of behavior is now sancioned in the other fora. I do have a problem with the posting style which I gave the history and reasons why. Now it is worse due to the different fora. Is that not on topic enough?
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 167 of 300 (228764)
08-02-2005 9:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 164 by Faith
08-02-2005 8:26 AM
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No License for Evasion
Percy writes: There is not yet unanimity of opinion among moderators about the religious fora, but I've been arguing strongly that nonsense is nonsense no matter where presented, and that it should not permitted under any circumstances. Participants should be required to support their points with argument and evidence as much in the religious fora as in the science fora. Basically, you can say whatever you want in the religious fora with the only difference is that admins cant ban you for saying stuff like, "I reject science because it conflicts with my religion." But you still have to support your assertions about the real world when you make them. Your rabid, spitfire, random evolution bashing should be moderated as the nonsense that it is wherever it occurs. That is all I have been arguing. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with you arguing against evolution. Just the way you have been doing it lately has been nothing more than the worthless, empty, stereotypical creationist rant. Admins, if you guys need more moderators then recruit more. But please do not let this place permanently decend into the madness that some of have been seeing lately. I am okay with you whole affirmative action for creos but does that mean they get to run this board into obscurity?
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