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FliesOnly
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Message 106 of 129 (74252)
12-19-2003 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by roxrkool
12-18-2003 5:16 PM


Re: Creationists
Roxrkool:
Good question. In thread I started a while back, I pointed out that in addition to all of the other problems with the idea of Noah and the flood, altitude would also come into play. Crashfrog dismissed the idea with a similar phrase to this one:
crashfrog writes:
It does, though, raise the air column by the same amount, so that Everest now is at an atmospheric pressure equivalent to the old zero feet above sea level. That is, if we're talking about a global rise in sea level. A localized rise would have no such effect, of course.
Now, nothing against crashfrog, but to dismiss the idea that Noah and the animals would have had a very hard time surviving at over 29,000 feet, by claiming that the atmosphere would be essentially the same as it was at zero feet because the rising ocean levels would "push" the air column up as well, seems a bit simplistic. It is, after all, a relatively small increase in altitude (just over 8 km) in comparison to the height of the atmosphere. For example, the mesoshpere (the coldest layer) ranges between 50-80 km while the thermoshpere reaches altitudes of up to 100km, so we're talking about a pretty small increase here.
However, I also realize that the atmospheric layers differ in their relative densities and that the troposphere (the lowest layer, with a depth of 8-16 km) contains about 80% of the total mass of the atmosphere. So who knows (certainly not me), maybe crashfrog is correct.
So I guess I'm asking the same question. What about it? Would raising the ocean levels up to just over 29,000 feet have a major impact on the atmoshpere? That is to say, would Noah and company not have to worry about extremely low temperatures, relatively low oxygen levels, altitude sicknesses, and the many other problems associated with high altitudes because they would be bobbing around in their boat at a "new" sea level and things would be the basically the same as they were at the previous sea level?
I have my doubts, but in all honesty, I'm not sure how to do the calculations. I'm sure that conditions at the "new" 29,000 feet would have been somewhat better than they were at the "old" 29,000 feet, but I have serious doubts that they would have significantly improved.
Anyway, it would be nice if this question could be answered by someone out there?

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Message 111 of 129 (74281)
12-19-2003 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by gene90
12-19-2003 12:51 PM


Re: Creationists
Hello Gene90:
gene90 writes:
Why would it? If I dug 29,000 feet of crust off the planet and sent it somewhere else, so that every point on Earth is now 29,000 ft lower, what difference would it be to the atmosphere? It would simply move in closer, and be under slightly more pressure because it is now 29,000 ft closer to the Earth's center of gravity. Further, if I pushed the bottom of the atmosphere up 29,000 feet the effect would be the same, and still minimal.
Is this indeed the case? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, I really don't know. I'm sure there would be an affect, but I have no idea how much of one, nor how to calculate the amount.
However, I'm in agreement that the change would be insignificant, which again brings up the questions of how Noah would have dealt with the problems associated with high altitudes...correct?
So rather than simply dismissing the questions I asked earlier, I would like to hear a creationist explain how Noah and his buddies got around these problems. Please note, I am not conceding that a global flood occurred. I am simply asking, that since you claim the Earth was flooded, how did Noah, his family, and the animals survive? I don't care about how the animals got to the boat. I don't care about how the animals dispersed after the flood. I don't care about explanations dealing with where the water came from and where it has since gone. These questions (and many others about global flood problems) have been addressed in other threads. I want a creationist to explain how Noah overcame all the problems associated with high altitudes. I have never seen these problems addressed and I am curious as to your explanations.

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Message 114 of 129 (74292)
12-19-2003 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by NosyNed
12-19-2003 1:54 PM


Re: Insignificant
NosyNed:
Ok wait...I'm an idiot, and admit that I am a bit embarrassed. Yes, it is actually very easy to see why there would be no altitude problem faced by Noah. If I could somehow retract my pervious posts I would. I have seen the light! Sorry.

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