Joe Meert
Member (Idle past 5709 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: 03-02-2002
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Message 97 of 129 (74158)
12-18-2003 6:55 PM
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Why I don't worry about JP's claims
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Hancock, Graham: Fingerprints Of The Gods. New York:Crown Trade Paperbacks, 1995, 578pp., $9. Using archaeo-astronomy, geology, and computer analysis of ancient myths, the author presents convincing evidence that mankind is far older than we have previously believed. Ancient monuments from the Great Pyramid and Sphinx to the strange Andean ruins of Tiahuanaco and even Mexico's Temples of the Sun and Moon reveals an as-yet-unidentified civilization of remote antiquity with vast sophistication and technological advancement that had evolved a scientific knowledge superior even to our own present day advances.
More information on this 'theory' can be found: http://www.thule.org/tiahuanaco.html Interestingly, there is nothing in the geologic record to support the demise of this 'body'. There is no global layer of tektites that marks the onset of the Pleistocene ice ages. There is no iridium anomaly marking the onset of the Pleistocene ice ages. Search for Tihuanaco and you'll find it interspersed with UFO's, Atlantis as well as JP's favorite strange event. Tqnyc.orgAtlantisquest.comor "Pole Shift" conspiracy pages http://www.greatdreams.com/poleshift.htm The supposed cause of the Tihuanaco 'mystery' is positively Velikovskian so while JP may deny the link, you can find references to the site on many Velikovsky pages. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/6396/lightfall060.htm20__‘ or how about this mention:
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Some 35 years ago when I was building a background on ancient civilizations before 100,000 BC, I obtained a variety of info on Lake Titicaca and the Gateway to the Sun at, Tiahuanaco. I also was told that there were in mountains some distance from Puno, existed a Trans- dimensional Door or Gateway to Interdimensional "circuits" of all universal energies of the Central Universe
JM: Or maybe, just maybe it's not all that mysterious?
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Abrupt climate change and Pre-Columbian cultural collapse
AU: Author
Brenner, Mark; Hodell, David A; Curtis, Jason H; Rosenmeier, Michael F; Bindford, Michael W; Abbott, Mark B
AF: Affiliation
University of Florida, Department of Geological Sciences, Gainesville, FL, United States (USA)
AF: Affiliation
University of Massachusetts, United States (USA)
MT: Monograph Title
Interhemispheric climate linkages
ED: Editor
Markgraf, Vera
AF: Affiliation
University of Colorado, Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research, Boulder, CO, United States (USA)
IB: ISBN
0124726704
PB: Publisher
Academic Press, San Diego, CA, United States (USA)
AB: Abstract
Holocene climate changes in the circum-Caribbean and Andean Altiplano are inferred by using paleolimnological methods. Paleoenvironmental data provide a climatic context in which the Maya (Yucatan Peninsula) and Tiwanaku (Bolivian-Peruvian Altiplano) cultures arose, persisted, and collapsed prior to European contact, ca. A.D. 1500. In the circum-Caribbean, the arid late Pleistocene period (>10,500 (super 14) C B.P., >10,470 B.C.) was followed by a relatively moist early to middle Holocene period (9000-4000 (super 14) C B.P., 8030-2490 B.C.), probably related to large differences between summer and winter insolation. The earliest Maya settlement dates to the Middle Preclassic period (1000-300 B.C.) and was associated with reduced seasonality and regional drying. In the northern part of the Yucatan Peninsula, the climate became even drier during the Classic period (A.D. 250-850). The driest episode of the middle to late Holocene occurred in the Maya lowlands at ca. A.D. 800-1000 and coincided with the Maya collapse, ca. A.D. 850. In contrast to the circum-Caribbean area, the Andean Altiplano was relatively wet in the late Pleistocene period and experienced low seasonality and dry conditions in the early and middle Holocene. The southern basin of Lake Titicaca (Lago Winaymarka), currently >40 m deep, displayed a low stage between ca. 7700 and 3600 (super 14) C B.P. (6470-1930 B.C.). Chiripa culture developed in the Titicaca watershed ca. 1500 B.C. (3210 (super 14) C B.P.), and was associated with greater seasonality, increased moisture availability, and rising lake level. Tiwanaku culture emerged ca. 400 B.C. (2400 (super 14) C B.P.) and depended on raised-field agricultural technology from A.D. 600 to 1150. A prolonged dry period began in the Altiplano at ca. A.D. 1100, prompting abandonment of raised fields and cultural decline. Climate changes in the Northern Hemisphere Maya lowlands and the Southern Hemisphere Andean Altiplano were out of phase on millennial timescales, when climate was apparently forced by shifts in seasonal insolation driven by the precession of the Earth's orbit (Milankovitch forcing). Shorter frequency climate changes in the Maya and Tiwanaku regions during the last approximately 3000 years may have been in phase and were driven by factors other than Milankovitch forcing. In both areas, population growth and cultural development occurred under favorable conditions for agriculture. Rapid cultural collapses in both regions were associated with protracted droughts. Paleoenvironmental data indicate that cultural development is limited by climatic thresholds and that abrupt, unpredictable climate changes can disrupt agricultural production and have devastating consequences for human populations.
cheers joe meert
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