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Theodoric
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Message 105 of 1075 (525984)
09-25-2009 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Dr Adequate
09-25-2009 10:51 AM


The only reference to this quote from World Book is on Creationist sites.
It seems there is a cut and paste out there, that has hit a few forums, that mentions this line from World Book. I cannot find the original doc.
This is the attribution.
*World Book Encyclopedia, Vol. 6, p. 335 (1982 edition).
Anyone have that edition to confirm and to get the context?

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Message 759 of 1075 (623332)
07-09-2011 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 748 by Portillo
07-09-2011 5:27 AM


Do you believe that Buddha, Muhammad and Confucius existed?
Buddha is a probable no. I consider his historicity to be similar to that of Jesus. Compare Buddha to Alexander the Great who is of roughly the same time period. We have tons of historical evidence and artifacts for Alexander, nothing for Buddha. Also, Buddah is not the fat guy most Americans think of as Buddha. That is Budai
Muhammad is also questionable for the same reasons I question the historicity of Jesus. There are no contemporary accounts. There seems to be a bloodline from Muhammad but this is attributed to tradition not actual historical sources.
Confucius is most probably not a historical character. There is actually some recent scholarship that suggests Confucius was a creation of Jesuit missionaries.
Confucius and the Scholars
Unless I see actual historical evidence I am skeptical of the historical existence of these figures. I am also skeptical of the historical existence of Jesus.

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Message 761 of 1075 (623340)
07-09-2011 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 760 by Mazzy
07-09-2011 2:25 PM


Re: Lluc
Dr Adequate, that is not the picture of LLuc at all.
Please tell us what it is a picture of.
LLuc is a flat faced ape. It is your evolutionary researchers that describe it as such.
Again you do realize that Humans are apes, don't you?
They also specifically state that it is not in the homo line and yet has morphology only compared to homo.
Please show where they say this. Are you lying?
This is what the article says.
quote:
The extraordinary resemblance does not indicate that Anoiapithecus has any relationship with Homo, the researchers note. However, the similarity might be a case of evolutionary convergence, where two species evolving separately share common features.
Please show where any of this supports anything you are trying to spout. Why do you think anyone feels there is a need for this to be a direct ancestor of humans? You do realize a flat face makes it more resembling humans than any other great ape don't you?

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Message 764 of 1075 (623347)
07-09-2011 3:33 PM
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07-09-2011 3:20 PM


Re: Lluc
How about addressing my post? I have clearly showed that you misrepresented the article you linked to. I guess maybe I was correct and you were lying about what the article said.
eg punctuated equilibrium the luck of genetic drfit, epigentic Mendellian style inheritance, HGT in Prokaryotes etc.
Do you have any idea what any of this is?
The gish gallop continues.

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Message 765 of 1075 (623350)
07-09-2011 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 762 by Mazzy
07-09-2011 3:01 PM


Australia
I have no idea what you are going on about re Australians. Australian Aborigines are humans that have adapted to their environment. When Australia was discovered they were no hairy half human apes here either but human beings just like you and me. Are you trying to suggest Australian Aborigines are anything but fully human? You seem to go on about them alot.
You are the one that suggested aborigines were not human.
Mazzy writes:
There are plenty of areas on the planet only gotton to over the last 200 years eg Australia and there are no ape people here or in Africa or anywhere else.
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Message 776 of 1075 (623383)
07-09-2011 9:25 PM
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07-09-2011 9:04 PM


Thats interesting that the founders of major religions did not exist. Im not sure if its because that didnt exist or because people dont want them to exist. Ill stop now so I dont take the thread offtopic.
But you do want to take the thread off topic or you would never have mentioned the subject. Are you going to open a new topic so we can discuss this more?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 912 of 1075 (625155)
07-21-2011 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 906 by Mazzy
07-21-2011 3:08 PM


It burns
I accept your response in that the theory of evolution is just a theory and is not a proven fact.
You might want to educate yourself a little bit. Something that is a scientific theory is not an educated guess.
Maybe you can read this and attempt to understand.
Scientific Laws, Hypotheses, and Theories
quote:
A theory is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be true. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. Unfortunately, even some scientists often use the term "theory" in a more colloquial sense, when they really mean to say "hypothesis." That makes its true meaning in science even more confusing to the general public.
In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.
In fact, some laws, such as the law of gravity, can also be theories when taken more generally. The law of gravity is expressed as a single mathematical expression and is presumed to be true all over the universe and all through time. Without such an assumption, we can do no science based on gravity's effects. But from the law, we derived the theory of gravity which describes how gravity works, what causes it, and how it behaves. We also use that to develop another theory, Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, in which gravity plays a crucial role. The basic law is intact, but the theory expands it to include various and complex situations involving space and time.
The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law describes a single action, whereas a theory explains an entire group of related phenomena. And, whereas a law is a postulate that forms the foundation of the scientific method, a theory is the end result of that same process.
A simple analogy can be made using a slingshot and an automobile.
A scientific law is like a slingshot. A slingshot has but one moving part--the rubber band. If you put a rock in it and draw it back, the rock will fly out at a predictable speed, depending upon the distance the band is drawn back.
An automobile has many moving parts, all working in unison to perform the chore of transporting someone from one point to another point. An automobile is a complex piece of machinery. Sometimes, improvements are made to one or more component parts. A new set of spark plugs that are composed of a better alloy that can withstand heat better, for example, might replace the existing set. But the function of the automobile as a whole remains unchanged.
A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.
Some scientific theories include the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, the atomic theory, and the quantum theory. All of these theories are well documented and proved beyond reasonable doubt. Yet scientists continue to tinker with the component hypotheses of each theory in an attempt to make them more elegant and concise, or to make them more all-encompassing. Theories can be tweaked, but they are seldom, if ever, entirely replaced.
A theory is developed only through the scientific method, meaning it is the final result of a series of rigorous processes. Note that theories do not become laws. Scientific laws must exist prior to the start of using the scientific method because, as stated earlier, laws are the foundation for all science.

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