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Shane20
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Message 112 of 141 (543232)
01-16-2010 12:36 PM


The spirituality of life is not a mere religious view nor some physical happening. To shed light on to it in some way would be to call it a bestowed enlightenment. But its almost like a progression after you have realized it. The spirit is much more then a belief its a part of you able to tap unto a different realm of existence. There are many mysterious attributes to this there is no expert, cause you cant study it in your physical view but you can feel it some say it can be achieved through meditation but that makes it a journey to this point. I'm not sure what is involved in the bestowal of this gift but when it happens it is a fulfillment of being, being enlightened is not enough its almost knowing that your life you must trust.
To detail this realm is up to the beholder there is no limit, only of what you can control. So the of argument of creation versus evolution it is one in the same. Please share some thoughts on what others think of spirituality.

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Shane20
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Message 114 of 141 (543235)
01-16-2010 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Larni
01-16-2010 1:30 PM


Great point i understand there is no magical happening in front of us, but to understand that it is two different things is what one needs to know. Lets put it this way in a realistic stand point, there is no way to prove that we have a separate entity then our physical being. We can prove that we have a variety of different beliefs in society all leaning towards the belief of another realm or existence. So going on that there is a spirit and we control it completely depending on the individual of course...
im interested in your thoughts on this matter

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Shane20
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Message 116 of 141 (543241)
01-16-2010 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Larni
01-16-2010 2:26 PM


Haha yes I hear when you say you die a little bit when you hear people refer to the spirit as energy. As for the imagination its quite sad to hear people say that its humbug to think of fairy tales and such. When this is another joyful gift we all share. I do believe that people confuse imagination with spirituality all the time. Do we Imagine our daily life no its there and hardy at times. But we do picture the great questions of our being and strive for the answers. It is my goal to show people the difference between this for the enlightened few. Sadly enough alot of folk associate Imagination with the spirit and that leads them to have questions of it. sighhhh...

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Shane20
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Message 118 of 141 (543248)
01-16-2010 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by bluescat48
01-16-2010 4:50 PM


so millions of people have this false sense with in them? Its a matter of making it real like us humans have made everything we have real. When most speak of it they are dismissed as irrational. These are social problems not spiritual ones.

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Shane20
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Message 121 of 141 (543254)
01-16-2010 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Shane20
01-16-2010 5:15 PM


Then how many must feel this "spirit" for it to be considered existent? Like a court room if there is a witness there is usly unreasonable doubt. why does this not apply to this?

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Shane20
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Message 123 of 141 (543256)
01-16-2010 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Granny Magda
01-16-2010 6:00 PM


If your looking for physical evidence that wont happen obviously a spirit can not jump out of a body and write down on a piece of paper that it exists. But what it can do is keep you from committing suicide after you lose your family or give you that driving force to have a come back in a football game. The evidence you seek comes from a materialistic view of life. Not saying that its neither optimistic or pessimistic view. When you have absolute nothing left what is there to turn to besides your self?
and when i speak of feeling the spirit im not talking about my self more like for anyone who feels their spirit or has access to the realm
Edited by Shane20, : No reason given.

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Shane20
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Message 126 of 141 (543262)
01-16-2010 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Blue Jay
01-16-2010 6:58 PM


Well perhaps your constant to exposure to the search of your spirituality caused it to enclose it self. I dont know your personal life so i can be wrong but if your parents made you be apart of religion growing maybe your sub concuss grew sick of it and now seeks enlightenment through more of a natural aspect. Like someone raised to being "in order" would be more likely to rebel then some one who was not. Saying that maybe it was not a bestowal but you were force fed maybe?

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Shane20
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Message 127 of 141 (543263)
01-16-2010 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Granny Magda
01-16-2010 7:10 PM


This is the basic question What created everything, some would say the big bang well something created the big bang. There is a connection between us and everything else in this universe. We are just as much apart of this history as anything else. From my own experience people with your same argument merely have a spirit who has not been awakened do to cosmic reasoning unknown. It may take a traumatic experience or the just simple showing of "light". Now I would call my self a transcendentalist perhaps but i have never been involved with religion. Just knowing that there is something after life is enough to one day deserve an awakened spirit for anyone.

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Shane20
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Message 130 of 141 (543266)
01-16-2010 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Granny Magda
01-16-2010 7:35 PM


The question of how do I know is explained through the feelings. This is a feeling of fulfillment a robust flow of passion. The argument is like saying how can you prove happiness with a smile? Is that the evidence needed? there are triggers that make feelings happen Even someone logistic as your self has to admit that feelings are real. To me its common sense our matter is just that matter but what we feel and think just doesn't go into nothingness after death for some people the mystery will never be solved in this life only more question lay for them. Really though i understand that the concrete evidence is obsolete but something as real as love everyone agrees with but when some say feels there spirit it is dismissed why is this?

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Shane20
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Message 131 of 141 (543267)
01-16-2010 7:57 PM


As for science that is all we know cause that is all that was said. That is a man made concept.

  
Shane20
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Message 133 of 141 (543275)
01-16-2010 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Granny Magda
01-16-2010 8:28 PM


I see the conflicting issue with the passion and fulfillment. But these manifest from somewhere its not like this is just effortless impulse to feel something more. This is effortless joy and happiness, waking up in the morning and feeling at complete perfect peace with your self. It sad that some need Financial stability for this because the money is not there when you die. I know there is no way to measure this or put into numbers. But if there was no spirit there would be no reason for mankind to pursue religion or any scientific objects, because what is it that we are trying to solve the nothing or the next? We would be stuck in the same age and never make progress at knowing more. If it takes physics discovering the higgs particle then so be it.

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Shane20
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Message 135 of 141 (543282)
01-16-2010 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Granny Magda
01-16-2010 9:10 PM


I know its distilled in you that reality is a number. But how do people manage to move past that like look at tarot cards or wigi boards. This phenomena happens and very much exists. Just because our ability as a people we havent been able to record it does not mean its not there. As for your own experiment go around and ask people if they feel a spirit with in them write all the ones that say yes and all the ones that say no then i think you will see your answer. If you have to think about your own spirit then so be it and when you feel the enlightenment you will know its unexplainable

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Shane20
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Message 139 of 141 (543288)
01-16-2010 10:44 PM


Grammar aside the spirit is real this has been a day long discussion and i have grown a little weary sorry. But the only way for any of you to see this realizations is for it to happen the facts are with in you. and it is your lose if you cant feel it i will continue tomorrow

  
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