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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Show us in any of today's good Bible translations where God's salvation in Christ Jesus has been altered from the manuscripts from which they have been translated?
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Best Known Versions
American Standard Version (ASV) The American Standard Version, also known as the Standard American Edition, Revised Version, is a revised version of the KJV. It was completed in 1885 and newly edited by the American Revision Committee in 1901. word-for-wordDouay-Rheims (RHE) The Douay-Rheims is the translation upon which nearly all English Catholic Bible versions are based. It includes the seven Deutero-Canonical books (also known as the Apocrypha). word-for-word from Latin VulgateEnglish Standard Version (ESV) The ESV Bible is a relatively new Bible translation that combines word-for-word precision and accuracy with literary excellence, beauty, and readability. word-for-wordGOD'S WORD Translation (GW) GOD'S WORD Translation (GW) accurately translates the meaning of the original texts into clear, everyday language. Readable and reliable, GW is living, active, and life-changing. thought-for-thoughtGood News Translation (GNT) The Good News Translation was first published in 1976 by the American Bible Society in a "common language." The simple, everyday language makes it especially popular for children and those learning English. thought-for-thoughtHolman Christian Standard (CSB) The HCS is a highly readable, accurate translation written in modern English. It is published by Holman Bible Publishers, the oldest Bible publisher in America. word-for-wordKing James Version (KJV) The KJV is the first version of Scripture authorized by the Protestant church and commissioned by England's King James I. word-for-wordNew American Standard (NAS)The NAS is written in a formal style, but is more readable than the King James Version. It is highly respected as the most literal English translation of the Bible. word-for-wordNew International Version (NIV) The NIV offers a balance between a word-for-word and thought-for-thought translation and is considered by many as a highly accurate and smooth-reading version of the Bible in modern English. Combination word-for-word and thought-for-thoughtNew King James Version (NKJ) The NKJ is a modern language update of the original King James Version. It retains much of the traditional interpretation and sentence structure of the KJV. word-for-wordNew Living Translation (NLT) Using modern English, the translators of the NLT focused on producing clarity in the meaning of the text rather than creating a literal, word-for-word equivalence. Their goal was to create a clear, readable translation while remaining faithful to original texts. thought-for-thoughtNew Revised Standard (NRS) The New Revised Standard is a popular translation that follows in the traditions of the King James and Revised Standard Versions. It was written with the goal of preserving the best of the older versions while incorporating modern English. word-for-word and thought-for-thoughtRevised Standard Version (RSV) The Revised Standard Version is a revision of the King James Version, the Revised Version, and American Standard Version. This text is intended for both private reading and public worship. word-for-word using modern American languageThe Message (MSG) The Message is a paraphrase from the original languages written by Eugene, H. Peterson. The Message provides a fresh and unique Bible-reading experience. thought-for-thought; paraphraseOther TranslationsModern Bible in Basic English (BBE) Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) Hebrew Names Version (HNV) New Century Version (NCV) New International Reader's Version (NIRV) Third Millennium Bible (TMB) Today's New International Version (TNIV) World English Bible (WEB) Young's Literal Translation (YLT) New Testament only Weymouth New Testament (WNT) Older Translations The Darby Translation (DBY) The Latin Vulgate (VUL) The Webster Bible (WBT) Spanish La Biblia de las Amricas (BLA) La Biblia Reina-Valera (RVR) Sagradas Escrituras (1569) (SEV) French Louis Segond 1910 (French) (LSG) Ostervald (French) (OST) German Elberfelder 1905 (German) (ELB) Luther Bible 1912 (German) (LUT) Italian Giovanni Diodati 1649 (Italian) (GDB) Riveduta 1927 (Italian) (RIV) Dutch Staten Vertaling (Dutch) (SVV)
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
The question I posed was this:
Show us in any of today's good Bible translations "where God's salvation in Christ Jesus has been altered from the manuscripts from which they have been translated?" If you want to stumble over the jots and tittles, that is your choice. The Bible is God's love letter to those He is calling to Himself, offering us salvation in Christ Jesus, and fellowship with Him in eternity. Show us how any of today's good Bible translations do not proclaim this?
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
John 10:10 writes:
quote: Kapyong writes:
quote: Translation:I haven't got a clue what God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus is.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
I was addressing the concern that some at this forum have regarding changes in the Bibles we have today that may differ from the original manuscripts, and how all of today's good translations of the Bible clearly present God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus.
"Is the bible authoritive and truly inspired?" Truly inspired? An emphatic YES! Try answering some of the questions God posed to Job? Authoritive? An emphatic YES! Try violating God's moral laws and see how well your life goes?
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Hebrew and Greek Bible manuscripts in existence today verify that God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus is clearly presented in the good Bible translations we have today. Your problem is that you don't accept the original Hebrew and Greek Bible manuscripts as being God inspired any more than you accept how they were translated into various languages for the world to read. Regardless of what language the Bible is translated into, God draws those to Himself such as are being saved (Acts 2:27).
As for "stories about Jesus seem to have changed and evolved over time," He declares this:
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
It's not the different plans of salvation in Christ Jesus which have resulted in so many different Christian denominations.
It's more about the many different denominations emphasizing different truths about how to live godly in Christ Jesus.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
bluescat48 writes,
quote: They have not gotten to the end of life's journey yet, nor have they faced the final judgment. As for adultry, ask Tiger how well it went for him?
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
You will have all the evidence you want when you meet the One who speaks from Rev 1:17-18.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Yes, the truth of Prov 28:13 caught up with Tiger,
"He who covers his sins will not prosper." Maybe he and others should take heed to the rest of the verse. "But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy. "
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
I hope you are as confident that it will never happen as I am confident that the Lord Jesus has "the keys of death and of Hades."
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
jar writes:
quote: Let's assume for a moment there was "one universal Cannon (Bible)." In order for everyone since New Testament times to be able to read this Bible, either everyone would have be able to read the Bible in this one universal Bible language, or this one universal Bible would have to be translated into the thousands of world languages. But God did not choose to reveal Himself to man in this way. God chose to reveal Himself to about 39 different writers in both the OT & NT, all leading to God's plan of salvation for man in Christ Jesus. The OT was written in Hebrew, and the NT in Greek. Since one universal language is not practical, Bible missionaries/translators have been taking the primary message of God's plan of salvation for man in Christ Jesus to the world's people for the last 2000 years. There are about 6900+ spoken languages in the world, with about 2000+ that have no portion of the Bible. You may disagree with the purpose and process of Christians doing this, or if they have done this accurately, that is your choice. But the only truth you will have to answer for is this: What did you do with God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus that was offered to you?
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
ringo writes,
quote:The Bible does no such thing. The Bible is God's "whole counsel" on how God has chosen to reveal Himself to man, and how man can come into right relationship with Him through the Lord Jesus Christ. There will be only one denomination that will live with God forever, those that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
ringo wr1tes,
quote:It's the denomination of all Believers down through the ages that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, both OT saints who looked forward to the coming Messiah and NT saints who look back to His death, burial, resurrection and exaltation to the right hand of God the Father.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
ringo writes,
quote:The denomination/group of people that will live with God forever are these people, and here is our message: And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals ; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God ; and they will reign upon the earth." (Rev 5:9-10)
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