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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 5 of 45 (520462)
08-21-2009 3:29 PM


somehow calling one man Dubya is cool and calling the next one Hussein is not.
you guys and your double standards.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 40 of 45 (565549)
06-17-2010 6:44 PM


Wow this is shocking
If bringing this up is a bad idea then sorry, I love to talk about race, racism, the crazy perception people have about it.
1. We didn't call George Bush "Dubya" because we wanted to exploit the buried/hidden biases that many people who agree with us have against the latter end of the alphabet. In fact, the name Dubya was one he used himself.
2. Emphasizing the "Hussein" part of Barack Obama's name is to make sure people associate the name with Saddam Hussein, or at the very least, with Muslim-sounding names in general to characterize Barack as being "other", "alien", "foreign" at best and "terrorist", "Muslim" (because we all know Muslim's can't be good Americans) at best.
3. It's only a double standard if you look at in the most superficial way and ignore the meaning behind the use. Was Dubya used in a disparaging way to indicate the man isn't very smart? Yes. Is that childish and even unworthy of good debate. Yes. Is it racist at best and a call to arms at worst? Not in the least.
1. Give me a break, calling someone Dubya, has nothing to do with the letter W. If Hussein is so horrible then why does he keep the name? He obviously uses it himself.
2. saying a middle name is not emphasizing it no matter what you think. What you think about Muslims and their ability as Americans is your business, but I know and work with a few Muslims and I think you are incorrect (I prefer to refer to them by nationality as opposed to religion anyway, as they are Afghani-Americans, and Kurdish-Americans, long before I even think of their religion). You assume to much.
3. Using Hussein is not racist. What race are people named Hussein in your opinion?
What subliminal fear factor is being raised by "Dubya"? Is there a corresponding anti-Redneck hatred from ignorance similar to the anti-Arab hatred hiding inside many Americans?
I think you answered your own question. Dubya sounds southern to me, yet you are the one who brings up the term redneck, and then asks if it is out of ignorance?
Again, it depends on the intent. I watched Patten Oswalt's stand-up special on Comedy Central last night. He emphasized Obama's middle name as a lead up to the punch-line of a joke. I see nothing threatening in this, in fact, I found it wuite funny. A redneck at a rally yelling it out in obvious anger while holding signs implying that Muslims can't be trusted or shouldn't be elected, might or might not be threatening behavior. It would depend on the specific circumstances. If that person advocates violence, then it is threatening and therefore, in my opinion, should be stopped or at least watched very closely.
There you go again. What exactly is a redneck rally can you provide an example? So far I keep seeing the double standard of they are bad but we are good. You want me to perceive people as rednecks, and see how bad they are, but you are the one that is using ad hominem against groups that you do not agree with. Can anyone else see the irony here!?!
My apology. Apparently, I wasn't being clear enough. I wasn't talking about people ignoring the KKK. I was talking about people ignoring the racists that were the backbone of the McCain/Palin rallies.
What was so racist about those people? Was it because they are white? What is your reasoning other than the name calling against those with an opposing view like Perdition is a fan of? Isn’t this place all about evidence? Let’s see some.
That doesn't sound very libertarian to me, as you freely want to deny people the right to believe whatever belief they wish.
Word. Sweet I am not alone.
In an extreme case, if we have a conspiracy of people who are looking for an opening to cause someone harm, and have worked out a code to facilitate that goal, the lines become murkier. FOr instance, saying, "The geese are flying south," isn't, on the surface, a violent statement, but if the intention behind it is to send a message saying, "he's not protected, SHOOT!" then it is an inducement to violence. People showing up to healthcare debates with guns implies a willingness to do violence. The debate didn't even touch tangentially on the second amendment, there were more than enough security forces to forestall violence, so what was the purpose of the guns? The people who carried them said they had no violent intentions, but it is easy to see how others would get the wrong impressions and react violently to the sight.
I can see you are about hypothetical claims and base assumptions. If you have a right to carry then you can. The 1st amendment is no more sacred than the 2nd, or the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. I carry at Starbuck’s, and the Grocery store, and in national parks, and all over the Commonwealth of Virginia, it is not illegal, and regardless of how you FEEL, what you continue to assume about other people not like yourself, does not make it so.
Well, that in and on if itself is an illegal act. So based upon that it is an arrestable offense.
I think there are only 7 states and DC that prevent open carry.
McCain/Palin rallies attracted a lot of racists. In fact, some of these rallies seemed to have nothing but people yelling out vile racist speeches.
Examples?
Let me boil it down to you. Do you or do you not agree that people were yelling out vile racist comments at McCain/Palin rallies? Do you not agree that not once did McCain nor Palin said anything to condemn these outbursts?
I am not sure, as I did not hear much of them, but me assuming they did because you seem to think so is not going to happen.
Well, blatant racism is certainly a lot easier to point out. But in this day and age nobody, except for rednecks, is stupid enough to make it obvious that they're racist. In this day and age, racism and other forms of bigotry primarily exist in subtle forms like micro-agressionism and silently promoting rednecks' vile outbursts.
The first step toward treating a disease is recognizing that it's there.
It seems obvious to me who is making blatant disparaging remarks about a group of people and who is not. This really couldn’t get any funnier than this quote above. I guess I am the only one who sees the irony here. It sure isn’t very subtle.
You're seriously comparing what Wright said to "white folks" yelling out death to Obama and referring to him as a monkey? Is this the twilight zone where you can't recognize the difference?
Lulz! Interesting, the double standard of George W. Bush as a Chimp, or Colin Powell as an ape, is just humorous, yet calling Obama one (without the photo-shop) is racist, very interesting indeed? How is it not racist if the target is republican, but racist if the target is democrat? Please I would love to hear these mental gymnastics!
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : poor proof reading ability

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 43 of 45 (565821)
06-21-2010 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by xongsmith
06-18-2010 7:50 PM


Re: Wow this is shocking
xonsmith writes:
I'm trying to remember who called Powell an ape. Can you refresh my memory? That is not funny at all. That is racist.
Now calling Bush the Chimpler is not racist, because Bush is a WM whose ears gave that exaggerated characterization without reference to his racial characteristics.
can you please explain this double standard to me? As I have learned here on the science threads, black people and white people are basically two different colored morphs of the same species, they have the same genetics, same building blocks, and so on. Basically it has not been proven that we are seprerate races.
How is it RACIST that Homo sapiens A (darker colored ones) is compared a primate philogenic cousin? Yet when Homo sapiens B (lighter colored ones) is compared to a philogenic cousin, it is not racist, but just humorous?
Are you a double standardizing scientist? or are you a creationist, who does believe in the "races" of humanity?

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