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Author Topic:   What is supernatural?
Jon
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Message 3 of 13 (521644)
08-28-2009 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by tuffers
08-28-2009 10:25 AM


A supernatural entity, whether 'God' or something else, is merely a being who, in some ways or others, defies the physical laws of the natural world.
If this creator exists in a different state to us, how is it able to create and influence our universe, and without us being able to see it?
So long as said entity can interact with our universe we can detect such interactions and deduce the existence of the entity. Remember, we are no longer talking about 'natural' or 'empirical'. All of these seemingly impossible things become possible as soon as we label our creator 'supernatural', i.e., beyond nature.
Is this logical? Is this reasonable? Is this real?
I do not know.
Jon

[O]ur tiny half-kilogram rock just compeltely fucked up our starship. - Rahvin

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Jon
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Message 6 of 13 (521679)
08-28-2009 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by jacortina
08-28-2009 11:48 AM


What is Natural?
jacortina writes:
This doesn't imply that the natural is a different state (to such a purported being) so much as it implies that it's a more limited realm fully within that being's 'state'.
What it seems like this comes down to is definitions. If one defines 'natural' to encompass all things of existence, then there is nothing that could ever be - exist - that was not also 'natural'. However, if 'natural' is defined as something else which does not include all things of existence but merely those things that meet certain criteria, then it is possible for supernatural entities to be in ready existence.
I think your post has shed light on this fact; before we can continue, we must decide on a definition for 'natural', because depending upon our 'cut-off point', if you will, the possibility of existence outside of the natural could change. Yet, if our answers are dependent on the state of arbitrary definitions, then one might be led to wonder if our answers are really answers at all or if they are merely wastes of time.
So, I must ask tuffers: Is it really even worth considering whether a supernatural god can exist?
Jon
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

[O]ur tiny half-kilogram rock just compeltely fucked up our starship. - Rahvin

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