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Author Topic:   What is supernatural?
jacortina
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Message 4 of 13 (521652)
08-28-2009 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by tuffers
08-28-2009 10:25 AM


My own working definition(s) would be something like:
The natural is all things which act and react and are manipulated according to their natures within overarching natural laws.
The supernatural is not limited to natural laws and thus can manipulate things beyond their own natures.
Nothing that man has done has at any time 'broken' any natural laws in his taking advantage of those laws and the natures of those things around him.
While we may not know everything about all natural laws, a being who is purported to create and/or suspend and/or amend such laws is pretty much by definition 'supernatural'.
This doesn't imply that the natural is a different state (to such a purported being) so much as it implies that it's a more limited realm fully within that being's 'state'.

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jacortina
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Message 8 of 13 (521691)
08-28-2009 2:34 PM
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08-28-2009 1:13 PM


Re: What is Natural?
Don't take my post to imply that I personally hold that there IS anything which is supernatural. But just as I can contemplate what WOULD be the attributes of Santa Clause, I can do so with the supernatural.
And I felt that the separate 'two states' view in the OP was not necessarily how it had to be looked at. So, the questions based on that may not be that interesting to pursue.
I don't directly define the natural universe to encompass all things of existence. Rather, I have found no reason to think that anything exists which is beyond (or above/behind/around) the natural universe. But, in principle at least, the 'possibility' for them exists under the definition I use for the natural.
And while we may find numerous 'new' natural laws, I don't think that too many theists would consider God to be bound by such, therefore always allowing him to be beyond the limits of the natural.

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