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Author Topic:   Moons: their origin, age, & recession
Dr Adequate
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Message 90 of 222 (528578)
10-06-2009 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Calypsis4
10-06-2009 1:03 PM


Hello again. Once again we cross paths and once again we are not even on the same page.
Answer: And if, in the past, there were meteoric showers like this one...
striking the 'atmosphericless' moon and if there were several such occurrences on the moon over the last several milleniums then the time frame of evolutionary cosmology concerning the moon is blown out of the water.
I would suggest you read my posts on the volcanic activity that has been repeatedly sighted by credible witnesses over the centuries. My evidence is based on observation. Yours is not. The moon is not 4.6 billion yrs old. Not even close.
One day you may learn the difference between assertion and evidence.
And on that day you will learn the difference between science and stuff you make up.
I've just been praying for you. But with little hope of success.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 193 of 222 (528795)
10-07-2009 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Calypsis4
10-05-2009 10:32 PM


A few years ago I got into a heated debate with an astronomer from Princeton about the supposed 4.6 billion yr age of earths moon. I stated that I felt the figure was an error because mathmatically, when one considers the 4 cm per yr recession of the moons orbit around the earth then if one computes the time frame then the moon would have been touching the earth about 1.7 billion yrs ago.
The professor found what he thought was an error in my math ...
To summarize. You made a silly mistake about a subject that you know nothing about, namely astronomy.
You showed it to a guy who does know something about astronomy, namely a professor of astronomy.
He pointed out your mistake.
You are angry about this.
Have I missed something, or is that it?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 196 of 222 (528804)
10-07-2009 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 12:14 AM


Re: Man-up and deal with the question honestly
Some concluding remarks about the matter:
The focus of the dissension in the matter is on the constant k. But I never insisted that k is absolute or never changes.
Your concluding remarks are to admit that "the constant k" is not a constant.
One mystery remains, which is why, if you admit that it is not a constant, you call it a constant.
I can think of one reason why you would do something so mindbogglingly stupid, but the moderators on this forum would not approve of my explanation.
Interesting that research on tidal rhythmites seem to be consistent with k as it concerns geologic time. Quote: "The tidal rhythmites in the Proterozoic Big Cottonwood Formation (Utah, United States), the Neoproterozoic Elatina Formation of the Flinders Range (southern Australia), and the Lower Pennsylvanian Pottsville Formation (Alabama, United States) and Mansfield Formation (Indiana, United States) indicate that the rate of retreat of the lunar orbit is d/dt k2 sin(2) (where is the Earth-moon radius vector, k2 is the tidal Love number, and is the tidal lag angle) and that this rate has been approximately constant since the late Precambrian." Source: C.P. Sonett, E.P. Kvale, A. Zakharian, M.A. Chan, and T.M. Demko, Late Proterozoic and Paleozoic Tides, Retreat of the Moon, and Rotation of the Earth, Science 273 (1996): p. 100—104.
This will undoubtedly go right over the heads of my opponents but it is extremely significant in this argument.
Wow. A creationist just mentioned the existence of rhythmites, quoted a paper proving that the Earth is old, and said that this would "undoubtedly go right over the heads of his opponents".
Here's a tip. If you wish to make false statements about the age of the Earth, don't mention rhythmites. Hush them up. This proof that the Earth is old is not something you want to talk about. We know that you're wrong, but you could at least pretend that you're right, you don't have to rub everyone's noses into how appallingly wrong you are.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 198 of 222 (528807)
10-07-2009 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 12:34 AM


Re: Nope
slevesque writes:
I don't want to listen to the whole video, could you give the exact time he talks about this ?
Calypsis writes:
If you're asking how long he talks: about 39 minutes; 13 minutes per video.
Wow. Calypsis can in fact misunderstand everything.
There is apparently no sentence in the English language so simple, clear, and plain, that Calypsis can't manage to misinterpret it.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 202 of 222 (528815)
10-07-2009 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 12:48 AM


Re: Man-up and deal with the question honestly
Is he even capable of thinking on a different level?
I don't agree with their evolutionary time scale. I merely pointed out that from their perspective the evidence that they interpret as the lunar regression has not changed since pre-cambrian times. That's over 542 million yrs ago (according to them). So if k has been stable for that long then even from the evolutionists time frame the theory of 4.6 billion yr age of the moon won't work.
What my opponents have been harping at all day is our use of the constant k...but as Doc Adequate failed to grasp is that we don't have a time frame in human history that we know that the figure has changed. Guesswork has to be applied to any change in what appears to be stable.
Mad people are funny.
But the plain facts are that physics and astronomy are against you. Reality 1, creationists 0. As usual.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 204 of 222 (528819)
10-07-2009 4:12 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 12:14 AM


People Who Watched Vocanos On The Moon
That coupled with the direct eyewitness testimony of the dozens of observers to volcanic activity on the lunar surface (be sure and view the entire DeYoung video!) is stunning.
I'd mock you, but the challenge is gone.
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