Message 46 of 57 (530361) 10-13-2009 7:02 AM

Reply to: Message 25 by Taz 10-09-2009 4:24 PM

I am attacking Obama for something he did do, as well as I am attacking the liberal world for nominating him, and giving him the award.

As usual, you have resorted to insults, unfounded ones too. Pretty pathetic, and a typical liberal tactic. Let's clear up some stuff, shall we? Basically your whole post, and response to me was false, unfounded, and a waste of good internet space.

First off, there has been a person who refused the Nobel Peace Prize. Lê Ðức Thọ of Thailand refused the award citing that his country was at war.

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Lê Ðức Thọ and Henry Kissinger were jointly awarded the 1973 Nobel Peace Prize for their efforts in negotiating the Paris Peace Accords. However, he declined to accept the award, stating that there was still no peace in his country.

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Secondly, between the years of 1939, and 1943, no awards were handed out because of the second world war. I am assuming there was no award handed out because everyone was at war, and nobody was really trying to stop it. Our country is at war, Obama should not have even been considered if you ask me. Nobody really likes war, including Bush, but we are at war, with no plans to stop in the near future.

Third, let's take a close up look at the nomination process:

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September – Invitation letters are sent out. The Nobel Committee sends out invitation letters to individuals qualified to nominate – members of national assemblies, governments, and international courts of law; university chancellors, professors of social science, history, philosophy, law and theology; leaders of peace research institutes and institutes of foreign affairs; previous Nobel Peace Prize Laureates; board members of organizations that have received the Nobel Peace Prize; present and past members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; and former advisers of the Norwegian Nobel Institute.

February – Deadline for submission. The Committee bases its assessment on nominations that must be postmarked no later than 1 February each year. Nominations postmarked and received after this date are included in the following year's discussions. In recent years, the Committee has received close to 200 different nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. The number of nominating letters is much higher, as many are for the same candidates.

February-March – Short list. The Committee assesses the candidates' work and prepares a short list.

March-August – Adviser review. The short list is reviewed by permanent advisers and advisers specially recruited for their knowledge of specific candidates. The advisers do not directly evaluate nominations nor give explicit recommendations.

October – Nobel Laureates are chosen. At the beginning of October, the Nobel Committee chooses the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates through a majority vote. The decision is final and without appeal. The names of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates are then announced.

December – Nobel Laureates receive their prize. The Nobel Peace Prize Award Ceremony takes place on 10 December in Oslo, Norway, where the Nobel Laureates receive their Nobel Prize, which consists of a Nobel Medal and Diploma, and a document confirming the prize amount.

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So, someone way back in September was thinking of nominating Obama for his efforts at peace.......before he was even President......lmfao. Then the submission was done by Feb1, Obama hadn't even done anything yet.

Obama knows all this. His cute little acceptance speech was a bunch of BS too. "A call to action"???? No Obama, your Presidency is a call to action, not the Nobel Peace prize. The Nobel Peace prize is based on accomplishments. If you were a man of integrity, you would have refused it, and hoped to actually do something, and fulfill your campaign promises over the next 3 years. That's what I would have done if I was in his shoes.

This clearly demonstrates to me what I seen the day he got elected. He is all about himself. His whole demeanor changed the day he got elected down to his walk. My wife who is for him was even like wtf is up with that walk? He wants it all, that's what I see.

So, no he would not be sending that message, and yes the committee IS stupid, and you are wrong about nobody refusing the Nobel Peace prize.

Will we hear about what a stupid decision this was in the media? Unlikely for the most part.

The funniest thing about your post is this:

Then you go on and rant about how I have my head up my ass for thinking the same thing. Your a hypocrite TaZ. You feel he doesn't deserve it, just as I do. The only difference is you think he should accept it, because no one has ever refused it. Well someone has refused it. That wouldn't be a valid reason for refusing it anyway. The reason for refusing it would be because 1. you haven't actually done anything, and 2. your country is still at war.

Who has their head up their ass?

Before this happened, I really didn't know shit about the Nobel Peace prize, but before I blurted my mouth out here on a public forum, I studied it a little bit. I read the qualifications, I read the history of the award, and I used a bit of common sense to determine that the committee is BS, the nominator is BS, and Obama is BS for accepting it. If they couldn't find a better candidate, then should have waited until next year.

That's just me though....

Message 47 of 57 (530646) 10-14-2009 11:53 AM

I definitely would respect Obama if he refused the award, and understand his reluctance to refuse it. It is not too late.

Message 48 of 57 (532047) 10-21-2009 12:53 AM

Reply to: Message 47 by riVeRraT 10-14-2009 11:53 AM

It seems like Fidel Castro agrees with you. However, he chooses Evo Morales as the winner of the Peace Prize. Bellow I've coped an open letter that Castro wrote on his reasons why Evo Morales should have won.

I'd be curious to know if you (or anyone else) agrees with him.

*Sorry - it's a rather long read. Very interesting though, IMO.

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A Nobel Prize For Evo Morales

October, 20 2009 By: Castro, Fidel

If Obama was awarded the Nobel for winning the elections in a racist society despite his being African American, Evo deserves it for winning them in his country despite his being a native and his having delivered on his promises.

For the first time, in both countries a member of their respective ethnic groups has won the presidency.

I had said several times that Obama is a smart and cultivated man in a social and political system he believes in. He wishes to bring healthcare to nearly 50 million Americans, to rescue the economy from its profound crisis and to improve the US image which has deteriorated as a result of genocidal wars and torture. He neither conceives nor wishes to change his country's political and economic system; nor could he do it.

The Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded to three American presidents, one former president and one candidate to the presidency.

The first one was Theodore Roosevelt elected in 1901. He was one of the Rough Riders who landed in Cuba with his riders but with no horses in the wake of the US intervention in 1898 aimed at preventing the independence of our homeland.

The second was Thomas Woodrow Wilson who dragged the United States to the first war for the distribution of the world. The extremely severe conditions he imposed on a vanquished Germany, through the Versailles Treaty, set the foundations for the emergence of fascism and the breakout of World War II.

The third has been Barack Obama.

Carter was the ex-president who received the Nobel Prize a few years after leaving office. He was certainly one of the few presidents of that country who would not order the murder of an adversary, as others did. He returned the Panama Canal, opened the US Interests Section in Havana and prevented large budget deficits as well as the squandering of money to the benefit of the military-industrial complex, as Reagan did.

The candidate was Al Gore -when he already was vicepresident. He was the best informed American politician on the dreadful consequences of climate change. As a candidate to the presidency, he was the victim of an electoral fraud and stripped of his victory by W. Bush.

The views have been deeply divided with regards to the choice for this award. Many people question ethical concepts or perceive obvious contradictions in the unexpected decision.

They would have rather seen the Prize given for an accomplished task. The Nobel Peace Prize has not always been presented to people deserving that distinction. On occasions it has been received by resentful and arrogant persons, or even worse. Upon hearing the news, Lech Walesa scornfully said: "Who, Obama? It's too soon. He has not had time to do anything."

In our press and in CubaDebate, honest revolutionary comrades have expressed their criticism. One of them wrote: "The same week in which Obama was granted the Nobel Peace Prize, the US Senate passed the largest military budget in its history: 626 billion dollars." Another journalist commented during the TV News: "What has Obama done to deserve that award?" And still another asked: "And what about the Afghan war and the increased number of bombings?" These views are based on reality.

In Rome, film maker Michael Moore made a scathing comment: "Congratulations, President Obama, for the Nobel Peace Prize; now, please, earn it."

I am sure that Obama agrees with Moore's phrase. He is clever enough to understand the circumstances around this case. He knows he has not earned that award yet. That day in the morning he said that he was under the impression that he did not deserve to be in the company of so many inspiring personalities who have been honored with that prize.

It is said that the celebrated committee that assigns the Nobel Peace Prize is made up of five persons who are all members of the Swedish Parliament. A spokesman said it was a unanimous vote. One wonders whether or not the prizewinner was consulted and if such a decision can be made without giving him previous notice.

The moral judgment would be different depending on whether or not he had previous knowledge of the Prize's allocation. The same could be said of those who decided to present it to him.

Perhaps it would be worthwhile creating the Nobel Transparency Prize.

Bolivia is a country with large oil and gas depots as well as the largest known reserves of lithium, a mineral currently in great demand for the storage and use of energy.

Before his sixth birthday, Evo Morales, a very poor native peasant, walked through The Andes with his father tending the llama of his native community. He walked with them for 15 days to the market where they were sold in order to purchase food for the community. In response to a question I asked him about that peculiar experience Evo told me that "he took shelter under the one-thousand stars hotel," a beautiful way of describing the clear skies on the mountains where telescopes are sometimes placed.

In those difficult days of his childhood, the only alternative of the peasants in his community was to cut sugarcane in the Argentinean province of Jujuy, where part of the Aymara community went to work during the harvesting season.

Not far from La Higuera, where after being wounded and disarmed Che [Guevara] was murdered on October 9, 1967, Evo -who had been born on the 26th of that same month in the year 1959—was not yet 8 years old. He learned how to read and write in Spanish in a small public school he had to walk to, which was located 3.2 miles away from the one-room shack he shared with his parents and siblings.

During his hazardous childhood, Evo would go wherever there was a teacher. It was from his race that he learned three ethical principles: don't lie, don't steal and don't be weak.

At the age of 13, his father allowed him to move to San Pedro de Oruro to study his senior high school. One of his biographers has related that he did better in Geography, History and Philosophy than in Physics and Mathematics. The most important thing is that, in order to pay for school, Evo woke up a two in the morning to work as a baker, a construction worker or any other physical job. He attended school in the afternoon. His classmates admired him and helped him. From his early childhood he learned how to play wind instruments and even was a trumpet player in a prestigious band in Oruro.

As a teenager he organized and was the captain of his community's soccer team.

But, access to the University was beyond reach for a poor Aymara native.

After completing his senior high school, he did military service and then returned to his community on the mountain tops. Later, poverty and natural disasters forced the family to migrate to the subtropical area known as El Chapare, where they managed to have a plot of ground. His father passed away in 1983, when he was 23 years old. He worked hard on the ground but he was a born fighter; he organized the workers and created trade unions thus filling up a space unattended by the government.

The conditions for a social revolution in Bolivia had been maturing in the past 50 years. The revolution broke out in that country with Victor Paz Estensoro's Nationalist Revolutionary Movement (MNR, by its Spanish acronym) on April 9, 1952, that is, before the start of our armed struggle. The revolutionary miners defeated the repressive forces and the MNR seized power.

The revolutionary objectives in Bolivia were not attained and in 1956, according to some well-informed people, the process started to decline. On January 1st, 1959, the Revolution triumphed in Cuba, and three years later, in January 1962, our homeland was expelled from the OAS. Bolivia abstained from voting. Later, every other government, except Mexico's, severed relations with Cuba.

The divisions in the international revolutionary movement had an impact on Bolivia. Time would have to pass with over 40 years of blockade on Cuba; neoliberalism and its devastating consequences; the Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela and the ALBA; and above all, Evo and his MAS in Bolivia.

It would be hard to try summing up his rich history in a few pages.

I shall only say that Evo has prevailed over the wicked and slanderous imperialist campaigns, its coups and interference in the internal affairs of that country and defended Bolivia's sovereignty and the right of its thousand-year-old people to have their traditions respected. "Coca is not cocaine," he blurted out to the largest marihuana producer and drug consumer in the world, whose market has sustained the organized crime that is taking thousands of lives in Mexico every year. Two of the countries where the Yankee troops and their military bases are stationed are the largest drug producers on the planet.

The deadly trap of drug-trafficking has failed to catch Bolivia, Venezuela and Ecuador, revolutionary countries members of ALBA like Cuba which are aware of what they can and should do to bring healthcare, education and wellbeing to their peoples. They do not need foreign troops to combat drug-trafficking.

Bolivia is fostering a wonderful program under the leadership of an Aymara president with the support of his people.

Illiteracy was eradicated in less than three years: 824,101 Bolivian learned how to read and write; 24,699 did so also in Aymara and 13,599 in Quechua. Bolivia is the third country free of illiteracy, following Cuba and Venezuela.

It provides free healthcare to millions of people who had never had it before. It is one of the seven countries in the world with the largest reduction of infant mortality rate in the last five years and with a real possibility to meet the Millennium Goals before the year 2015, with a similar accomplishment regarding maternal deaths. It has conducted eye surgery on 454,161 persons, 75,974 of them Brazilians, Argentineans, Peruvians and Paraguayans.

Bolivia has set forth an ambitious social program: every child attending school from first to eighth grade is receiving an annual grant to pay for the school material. This benefits nearly two million students.

More than 700,000 persons over 60 years of age are receiving a bonus equivalent to some 342 dollars annually.

Every pregnant woman and child under two years of age is receiving an additional benefit of approximately 257 dollars.

Bolivia, one of the three poorest nations in the hemisphere, has brought under state control the country's most important energy and mineral resources while respecting and compensating every single affected interest. It is advancing carefully because it does not want to take a step backward. Its hard currency reserves have been growing, and now they are no less than three times higher than they were at the beginning of Evo's mandate. It is one of the countries making a better use of external cooperation and it is a strong advocate of the environment.

In a very short time, Bolivia has been able to establish the Biometric Electoral Register and approximately 4.7 million voters have registered, that is, nearly a million more than in the last electoral roll that in January 2009 included 3.8 million.

There will be elections on December 6. Surely, the people's support for their President will increase. Nothing has stopped his growing prestige and popularity.

Why is he not awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?

I understand his great disadvantage: he is not the President of the United States of America.

Fidel Castro Ruz

October 15, 2009

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So what do you (or anyone else) feel about his opinion on the matter?

Do you think he makes a good case for Evo, or is the evidence that he's pointing to just propaganda to support his "communist" ideologies and Revolution?

- Oni

Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

Message 49 of 57 (532996) 10-27-2009 11:37 PM

Reply to: Message 48 by onifre 10-21-2009 12:53 AM

Well that is not why Obama got the award. He also doesn't seem to have an understanding of who deserves the award, and why. I don't even think Castro wrote that.

Message 50 of 57 (533050) 10-28-2009 11:09 AM

Reply to: Message 48 by onifre 10-21-2009 12:53 AM

The truth is that Obama was elected in a society which has essentially outlawed racism and which fought it's bloodiest war in history emancipating slaves, by a large constituency of white voters who supported him, the most significant being multi-billionaire, George Soros. Imo, without Soros's $$ Obama would not have prevailed politically.

I.E., Acorn, black supremicism, big labor thuggery and the radical leftist Chicago political machine.

Message 51 of 57 (533057) 10-28-2009 12:47 PM

Reply to: Message 49 by riVeRraT 10-27-2009 11:37 PM

He did. He is a regular contributer to znews.org

I think he was being facetious.

- Oni

Message 52 of 57 (533058) 10-28-2009 12:55 PM

Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw 10-28-2009 11:09 AM

It is not against the law to be racist.

No politician succeeds without financial backing, Obama is not the exception.

In other words, exactly what FoxNews told you he is about.

You don't need to add "commie" in front of "comrad," comrad already implies communist.

- Oni

Message 53 of 57 (533077) 10-28-2009 3:03 PM

Reply to: Message 34 by CosmicChimp 10-10-2009 9:00 AM

Did you get permission to do that?
Seems like a weird thing for you to decide to do.

Your American Indian avatar was harsh, yes, but this is maybe over the line?

("I AM SPARTICUS!!!")

Message 54 of 57 (533081) 10-28-2009 3:31 PM

Reply to: Message 53 by xongsmith 10-28-2009 3:03 PM

Big time - sorry.

I guess i shoot first then ask questions.

The dead dont have too many answers without Dr. Quincy's Laboratory.

("I AM RAZD!!!!")

Message 55 of 57 (533089) 10-28-2009 4:30 PM

Reply to: Message 37 by Legend 10-11-2009 8:31 AM

A reasonable inference? Possibly. I guess that would depend upon the strict definition of the technical term "bleeding-heart liberal" - perhaps you have one?

I think I made it clear in my post that I didn't wholly not agree with him. I also think I made it clear that I was refering to the language he used, by clever use of the word "language".

I think I also made clear that I was not accusing him of being a twat - rather, I simply pointed out that his use of such language would certainly attract such a condemnation from many quarters. Obviously not yours, and I did think of putting in a specific exclusion for you at the time.

But hey, thanks for playing

Message 57 of 57 (533107) 10-28-2009 7:53 PM

Reply to: Message 51 by onifre 10-28-2009 12:47 PM

You haven't heard about hate crimes laws applicable also to race, particularly hate relating to hate against blacks gays and rarely against whites and straights?

You aren't aware of the race laws applicable to employers, land lords, etc?

But most politicians work their way up politically before receiving support.

Obama was bought and paid for by the billionaire George Soros new global/world order foundation

FYI, the #1 web definition is " companion: a friend who is frequently in the company of another; "drinking companions"; "comrades in arms"

LOL. Your application is #2.

ABE: Perhaps that Soros's idiology was compatible with Oboma's ambitions had a bearing on the Peace Prize award which pre-empted what they hoped he would accomplish for world peace i.e. abolition of individual freedom, free enterprise, nationalism in favor of global government, i.e. new world order.

Edited by Buzsaw, : Indicated