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Calypsis4
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Message 61 of 112 (530901)
10-15-2009 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by mark24
10-15-2009 12:40 PM


Re: Serious subjects
It is nothing.

That will cost you eternally. What an awful attitude.

This is October 15, 2009 A.D. What does A.D. stand for? Nothing?

You are nothing.


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Coragyps
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Message 62 of 112 (530903)
10-15-2009 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:06 PM


Re: Serious subjects
This is October 15, 2009 A.D. What does A.D. stand for? Nothing?

And it's Thursday. Whose day does that mean? Nobody's?


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Calypsis4
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Message 63 of 112 (530904)
10-15-2009 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Coragyps
10-15-2009 1:19 PM


Re: Serious subjects
IT stands for 'Thor's day'.

Was the entire dating system of the world based on the birth, life, and death of Thor?

Fool. The truth is that you just don't care.


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Coragyps
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Message 64 of 112 (530907)
10-15-2009 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:04 PM


Re: Serious subjects
When Peter later brought this fact to the attention of the unbelieving Jews in public they did not argue with him.

To which one may reply, "well, DUH!"
He was talking in the freakin' future tense, goober! What would they have argued about?

Your 'invisible pink unicorn' doesn't answer personal prayer.

You know this how, exactly? You sound like one o' them scoffers to me.....


"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
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Message 65 of 112 (530910)
10-15-2009 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:20 PM


Re: Serious subjects
The truth is that you just don't care.

Why the fuck should I care about your mythology over anyone else's? I spent 40+ years in the trap of Christianity/theism, and I'm glad to be free of it.


"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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DrJones*
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Message 66 of 112 (530913)
10-15-2009 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:06 PM


Re: Serious subjects
This is October 15, 2009 A.D.

it's also:
27th of Tishrei, 5770
26th of Shawwal, 1430
12.19.16.13.15
63149.9
The 354th day of the 32nd year of the reign of DrJones.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor
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Calypsis4
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Message 67 of 112 (530914)
10-15-2009 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by DrJones*
10-15-2009 1:33 PM


Re: Serious subjects
The 354th day of the 32nd year of the reign of DrJones.

So?


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DrJones*
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Message 68 of 112 (530915)
10-15-2009 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:35 PM


Re: Serious subjects
So your claim that the use of BC and AD somehow gives credence to christian mythology doesn't stand up due to the use of multiple other dating systems.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor
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ICANT
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Message 69 of 112 (530918)
10-15-2009 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:06 PM


Re: Serious subjects
Hi Calypsis4,

Calypsis4 writes:

This is October 15, 2009 A.D. What does A.D. stand for? Nothing?

True statement Cal as far as most here at EvC is concerned.

Modern man who does not want to retain God in their knowledge has decided Christ did not die, so AD means nothing.

Since AD is offensive to them they have come up with CE meaning Common Era. The religious people who don't want to retain God in their mind can use this to mean Christian Era.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Calypsis4
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Message 70 of 112 (530920)
10-15-2009 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by DrJones*
10-15-2009 1:39 PM


Re: Serious subjects
So your claim that the use of BC and AD somehow gives credence to christian mythology doesn't stand up due to the use of multiple other dating systems.

My claim? It's history. There is nothing you can do about it, skeptic.

"We account the Scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy. I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever .... Worshipping God and the Lamb in the temple: God, for his benefaction in creating all things, and the Lamb, for his benefaction in redeeming us with his blood.

"To us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him. That is, We are to worship the Father alone as God Almighty, and Jesus alone as the Lord, the Messiah, the Great King, the Lamb of God who was slain, and hath redeemed us with His blood, and made us kings and priests." Isaac Newton.

It seems that Sir Isaac got the point.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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Calypsis4
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Message 71 of 112 (530921)
10-15-2009 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by ICANT
10-15-2009 1:45 PM


Re: Serious subjects
Since AD is offensive to them they have come up with CE meaning Common Era. The religious people who don't want to retain God in their mind can use this to mean Christian Era.

God Bless,

Amen. The same to you, friend.

'Christian Era'? Right. The era that began with the birth of Christ. They will never escape Him no matter what they do.

It will mean 'nothing' to them until they stand before the Creator God in that appointed day when all men shall give account of themselves to Him.

Best wishes.


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DrJones*
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Message 72 of 112 (530925)
10-15-2009 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:54 PM


Re: Serious subjects
My claim? It's history. There is nothing you can do about it, skeptic.

I'm not denying that historically BC and AD have been and are used in the Gregorian calender, I'm denying that this fact gives any backing to christian mythology.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor
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Calypsis4
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Message 73 of 112 (530928)
10-15-2009 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by DrJones*
10-15-2009 2:07 PM


Re: Serious subjects
I'm not denying that historically BC and AD have been and are used in the Gregorian calender, I'm denying that this fact gives any backing to christian mythology.

The power of God that I have seen in my experience and in the experience of many of my companions around the world, some of whom I know personally, is not a myth. We see the promises of the Lord in scripture and we experience them.

The only thing I experience as it concerns skeptics is resentmet and hate.

The topic post stands correct.


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dwise1
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Message 74 of 112 (530947)
10-15-2009 3:28 PM
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10-15-2009 1:45 PM


Re: Serious subjects
Modern man who does not want to retain God in their knowledge has decided Christ did not die, so AD means nothing.

Since AD is offensive to them they have come up with CE meaning Common Era. The religious people who don't want to retain God in their mind can use this to mean Christian Era.

No, CE is used because the Gregorian calendar is in common use by most of the world, most of which is not Christian. Christians only comprise 24.54% - 28.82% of the world's population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_population). Very close to the same percentage of the world population that's Muslim (22.752% - 23.312%), so there's as strong an argument to be made for imposing Islamic conventions on the vast majority who do not follow that religion -- which is to say that the argument for imposing exclusively Christian conventions on the rest of the world has no merit.

To dispell some of the ignorance here (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_era -- my emphasis added):

quote:
Common Era, abbreviated as CE, is a designation for the calendar system most commonly used world-wide for numbering the year part of the date. The numbering of years using Common Era notation is identical to the numbering used with Anno Domini (BC/AD) notation, 2009 being the current year in both notations and neither using a year zero. Common Era is also known as Christian Era and Current Era, with all three expressions abbreviated as CE. (Christian Era is, however, also abbreviated AD, for Anno Domini.) Dates before the year 1 CE are indicated by the usage of BCE, short for "Before the Common Era", "Before the Christian Era", or "Before the Current Era". Both the BCE/CE and BC/AD notations are based on a sixth-century estimate for the year in which Jesus was conceived or born, with the common era designation originating among Christians in Europe at least as early as 1615 (at first in Latin).

The Gregorian calendar, and the year-numbering system associated with it, is the calendar system with most widespread usage in the world today. For decades, it has been the de facto global standard, recognized by international institutions such as the United Nations and the Universal Postal Union. Common Era notation has been adopted in several non-Christian cultures, by many scholars in religious studies and other academic fields, and by others wishing to be sensitive to non-Christians, because Common Era does not explicitly make use of religious titles for Jesus, such as Christ and Lord, which are used in the BC/AD notation.


So Common Era was invented centuries ago by Christians and is used both by non-Christians and also by Christians who recognize that there are entire cultures that are not Christian.

Examination of the origin of the terms demonstrates that they did not originate from modern times (ie, 20th century), but rather centuries before then; quoting from that same "Common Era" article:

quote:
The year numbering system used with Common Era notation was devised by the monk Dionysius Exiguus in the year 525 to replace the Diocletian years, because he did not wish to continue the memory of a tyrant who persecuted Christians. He attempted to number years from an event he referred to as the Incarnation of Jesus, although scholars today generally agree that he miscalculated by a small number of years. ...

The term "Common Era" is traced back in English to its appearance as "Vulgar Era" (from the Latin word vulgus, the common people, i.e. those who are not royalty), to distinguish it from the regnal dating systems typically used in national law. The first use of the Latin equivalent (vulgaris aerae) discovered so far was in a 1615 book by Johannes Kepler. Kepler uses it again in a 1617 table of ephemerides. A 1635 English edition of that book has the title page in English - so far, the earliest-found usage of Vulgar Era in English. ...

The first so-far-discovered usage of "Christian Era" is as the Latin phrase aerae christianae on the title page of a 1584 theology book. ... A 1652 ephemeris is the first instance so-far-found for English usage of "Christian Era".

The English phrase "common Era" appears at least as early as 1715 in a book on astronomy, used synonymously with "Christian Era" and "Vulgar Era". A 1759 history book uses common æra in a generic sense, to refer to the common era of the Jews. Common era and vulgar era are used as synonyms in 1770, in a translation of a book originally written in German. The 1797 edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica uses the terms vulgar era and common era synonymously. ... The Catholic Encyclopedia uses the sentence: "Foremost among these [various eras] is that which is now adopted by all civilized peoples and known as the Christian, Vulgar or Common Era, in the twentieth century of which we are now living." During the 19th century, "Vulgar Era" came to be contrasted with "Christian Era", and "vulgar" came to mean "crudely indecent", thus no longer a synonym for "common".

The phrase "common era", in lower case, also appeared in the 19th century in a generic sense, not necessarily to refer to the Christian Era, but to any system of dates in common use throughout a civilization. ... When it did refer to the Christian Era, it was sometimes qualified, e.g., "common era of the Incarnation", "common era of the Nativity",[47] or "common era of the birth of Christ".

Some Jewish academics were already using the CE and BCE abbreviations by the mid-19th century, such as in 1856, when Rabbi and historian, Morris Jacob Raphall used the abbreviation in his book, Post-Biblical History of The Jews.

...

Although Jews have their own Hebrew calendar, they often find it necessary to use the Gregorian Calendar as well. The reasons for some using Common Era notation are described below:

quote:
Jews do not generally use the words "A.D." and "B.C." to refer to the years on the Gregorian calendar. "A.D." means "the year of our L-rd [sic]," and we do not believe Jesus is the L-rd [sic]. Instead, we use the abbreviations C.E. (Common or Christian Era) and B.C.E. (Before the Common Era).
{"Jewish Calendar: Numbering of Jewish Years". Jewish Virtual Library. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/calendar.html#Years. Retrieved 2 September 2007.}

Indeed, Common Era notation has also been in use for Hebrew lessons for "more than a century".

Some American academics in the fields of education and history have adopted CE and BCE notation, although there is some disagreement. The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, which is the leading publishing body of the Jehovah's Witnesses, uses CE and BCE exclusively in its publications. More visible uses of Common Era notation have recently surfaced at major museums in the English-speaking world: The Smithsonian Institution prefers Common Era usage, though individual museums are not required to use it. Furthermore, several style guides now prefer or mandate its usage. Even some style guides for Christian churches prefer its use: for example, the Episcopal Diocese Maryland Church News.

In the United States, the usage of the BCE/CE notation in textbooks is growing. Some publications have moved over to using it exclusively. For example, the 2007 World Almanac was the first edition to switch over to the BCE/CE usage, ending a 138-year usage of the traditional BC/AD dating notation. It is used by the College Board in its history tests, by the Norton Anthology of English Literature, and by the United States Naval Observatory. Others have taken a different approach. The US-based History Channel uses BCE/CE notation in articles on non-Christian religious topics such as Jerusalem and Judaism. In June 2006, the Kentucky State School Board reversed its decision that would have included the designations BCE and CE as part of state law, leaving education of students about these concepts a matter of discretion at the local level.

...

It is argued that the use of BCE/CE shows sensitivity to those who use the same year numbering system as the one that originated with and is currently used by Christians, but who are not themselves Christian. Former United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan argued, "[T]he Christian calendar no longer belongs exclusively to Christians. People of all faiths have taken to using it simply as a matter of convenience. There is so much interaction between people of different faiths and cultures - different civilizations, if you like - that some shared way of reckoning time is a necessity. And so the Christian Era has become the Common Era."

...

Christian opposition

Because the BC/AD notation is based on the supposed year of the conception or birth of Jesus of Nazareth, the removal of reference to him in era notation is perceived by some Christians as offensive. Some groups oppose the Common Era notation for explicitly religious reasons; for example, the Southern Baptist Convention supports retaining the BC/AD abbreviations as "a reminder of the preeminence of Christ and His gospel in world history". The Southern Baptist Convention has criticized the use of BCE and CE as being the result of "secularization, anti-supernaturalism, religious pluralism, and political correctness" and encourages its members to "retain the traditional method of dating and avoid this revisionism".


Why should it surprise you that non-Christians wouldn't want to use an exclusively Christian evocation? Why do you have the chutzpah to take offense at not being praised for wanting to impose your sectarian beliefs on the vast majority of the world?


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mark24
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Message 75 of 112 (530964)
10-15-2009 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:06 PM


Re: Serious subjects
Calypsis,

That will cost you eternally. What an awful attitude.

But your argument IS nothing regarding the darkening of the skies.

You have claimed that there is some kind of natural confluence of events supported by a prophecy you haven't cited, eye witnesses you haven't named, the a lunar & solar eclipse naturally happening at the same time which is impossible.

Let's face it, you fucked up.

& the best you can do in response to this is:

You are nothing.

And you are something beginning with C, but it ain't Calypsis.

Mark


There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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