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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design Creationism
crashfrog
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Message 28 of 154 (113523)
06-08-2004 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Monsieur_Lynx
06-07-2004 6:30 PM


If people could refrain from ad hominem attacks against creationists, that would be even better.
I think what you're failing to appreciate is that talking with creationists involves two issues:
1) Why are creationist positions wrong?
2) If the positions are wrong, why do creationists promote them?
All the "ad hominem" I think you're referring to is actually the answer to the second question, not the first. When we make statements about creationists that are a little less than charitable, it's not to point out why their arguments are wrong - we've done that already with evidence. When we point out the dirty credentials of folks like Hovind or Johnson, it's to explain why creationist ridiculousness still gains purchase on susceptible minds.

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crashfrog
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Message 45 of 154 (114182)
06-10-2004 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by John Paul
06-10-2004 2:59 PM


Nature didn't produce the baby, the baby is the result of the itelligent design of living things.
Wait... what? JP, do you need to be told where babies come from?

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crashfrog
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Message 47 of 154 (114245)
06-10-2004 6:57 PM
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06-10-2004 3:46 PM


Well I know nature had nothing to do with mine.
Your baby didn't gestate in a uterus?

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crashfrog
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Message 70 of 154 (114547)
06-11-2004 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by John Paul
06-11-2004 1:21 PM


As I have stated- you can only consider my or my wife's body parts as being part of nature if life originated via purely natural processes.
So what you're saying then, is that if life is the product of intelligent design, nature doesn't exist?
That's the pretty obvious extension of what you're proposing:
1) Any life that is intelligently designed is not natural.
2) All life is intelligently designed.
Therefore, you must obviously conclude that nature doesn't exist anywhere. What, then, is the word "nature" supposed to describe?

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