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What was God’s plan behind Creation and why does he need one?

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Message 118 of 174 (545066)
01-31-2010 2:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 117 by 3DSOC
01-31-2010 2:41 PM

Re: God's purpose & why the rules
How does an evolving sightless creature even know what sight is? Why would this creature use biological resources over hundreds (thousands? millions?) of generations to develop organs to capture light when it doesn't even know/understand what light is?
Evolution isn't a concious decision by an organism. It's a matter of random mutation and natural selection.
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Message 123 of 174 (545074)
01-31-2010 5:02 PM 		Reply to: Message 120 by 3DSOC
01-31-2010 3:07 PM

Re: God's purpose & why the rules
"natural selection" (curious term that implies something is making a decision) occurs.
Not really. There is no decision making, just life or death.
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Wouldn't "natural selection" then always favor Species A?
Why? is strength/speed/size always superior to better vision? Increase in these factors would most likely require an increase in amount of foood that organism A needs to eat per day, potentially limiting it's numbers compared to organism B. Better vision could allow organism B to operate nocturnally when there is less threat or competition from organism A. There are many factors to consider before proclaiming one organism is objectivly "better" than another.
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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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02-01-2010 4:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 128 by 3DSOC
02-01-2010 4:42 PM

Re: God's purpose & why the rules
Wouldn't a bigger/stronger/faster species be favored over a species that is developing sight - but doesn't have sight?
does the bigger/stronger/faster species already have sight? if so, then I think it would probably do better than a smalller/weaker and sightless species. But its not an absolute.
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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Message 142 of 174 (545160)
02-01-2010 10:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 138 by 3DSOC
02-01-2010 7:32 PM

Re: God's purpose & why the rules
If a larger species would probably dominate a smaller species (all things being equal), why would the smaller species survive? That's where I'm at
Cause dominate is not the same as eliminate.
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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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02-01-2010 10:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 139 by 3DSOC
02-01-2010 7:43 PM

Re: God's purpose & why the rules
The point I was trying to make, was that at some point during the evolution of these two species, one species would still be blind while the other, although blind as well, is much larger/stronger/faster/etc. and so therefore would have a distinct advantage.
You're changing the scenario again. Your position back in message 128 was:
I'm comparing a species that is attempting to develop vision with other species that are developing into bigger/stronger/faster creatures.
There are points between blind and not blind. A small creature with the ability to detect light, or movement could have an advantage over a large creature stumbling around in the dark.
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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor
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Message 145 of 174 (545166)
02-01-2010 11:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 144 by 3DSOC
02-01-2010 11:49 PM

Re: God's purpose & why the rules
I was not comparing a large, blind creature with a small creature that can see.
Then what is your scenario? If it is:
I'm comparing a species that is attempting to develop vision with other species that are developing into bigger/stronger/faster creatures.
Then I repeat my position. Vision isn't an on/off condition, there are multiple steps between blind and sighted. A small creature with the ability to detect changes in light, and therefore movement could have an advantage over a large creature that is 100% blind,
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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor
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02-02-2010 12:43 AM 		Reply to: Message 147 by 3DSOC
02-02-2010 12:33 AM

Re: God's purpose & why the rules
It seems to me that a species would devote a lot of energy over a multitude of generations to develop organs capable of detecting light - while competing species may be growing larger over the same period of time. This seems to place the first species at a disadvantage to the second and would therefore be at risk of extinction.
It seems to me that a species would devote a lot of energy over a multitude of generations to grow larger - while competing species may be developing organs capable of detecting light. This seems to place the first species at a disadvantage to the second and would therefore be at risk of extinction.
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Why aren't we all sharks?!
Cause we don't all live in the ocean.
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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor
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