Is Jesus God?

I have to say that that is not my impression - for every passage that seems to (ambiguously) read in favour, there is another that reads (quite definitely) against. Yes, you can read between the lines and take away that Jesus is an aspect of God. You can just as (if not far more) easily take away that Jesus is most certainly not God. I would say that there is no way in hell that you can unabiguously take away that Jesus is God. Much like the trinity, for such supposedly important concepts, God is exceptionally (suspiciously) vague on these matters...

I would hate to see you try your hand a mathematics and logic, Jaywill, if this is what you think constitues a good proof Two characters are portrayed:The Saviour God, from whom salvation is provided
Jesus the Saviour, the vehicle of that salvation providedTo claim that the text portrays these as one and the same is simple insanity.The only place where we see some confusion is here: And I think it would be good to see the actual Greek at this point. Can you provide that? From Peg's POV of course, this makes complete sense as she regards Jesus as *a* god.This is a prime example of what I was describing earlier - you are seeing what you want to see, not what is written.I'll comment on the rest later if I find the time. But for now, I have to say Jaywill, this is very poor...Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

Not really, I have better things to do. But when I see the blatent inanity in his so called "logic" I call it out. I see that you offer no rebuttal to my disassembly of his "proof". I guess I can wait...

Yawn. I was demolishing Jaywill's "proof" which concerned Titus 1-3. Anything to add regarding Titus 1-3? No, thought not. Back-peddling befits you well.

Exactly The loops and hurdles that must be traversed to come to this "self-evident" fact that Jesus is God is hilarious. Similarly for the trinity. Of course you can extract both concepts with suitable reading, interpretation, and self-delusion - I did for over twenty years - but if God really thinks that these are essential truths of his salvation, "clearly" revealed in the Bible, he's one twisted bastard. The more I look back at this, the more sense I see in the JW interpretation, as it at least makes a more honest take on the Gospels than standard evangelical protestantism.Not that I'm any comfort, as I think the JWs are just as deluded as the rest of Christedom, but at least I'm equally opportunities when it comes to my casting aspersions of delusion

And this, as every Biblical scholar will attest, has nothing to do with Jesus whatsoever - Christians love the sound of it, but any half-wit who can read can tell by the context exactly what is going on here.

oh EMA, you sad tool. Take a look at my avatar, then check my name again. I've spent my life sailing so close to death, you'd drown in your own shit if you tried it. I once spent half an hour knowing I was going to die, never going to see my wife again, never going to see my child's birth. Guess how much of that 30 minutes I spent praying and worrying about the "afterlife" Not matter to me??? I was a fucking evangelical Christian for over twenty years - or is it convenient for you to forget that? I probably spent more time preaching and leading bible study than you've spent "saved". Of course this shit matters to me - I lived and breathed it for half of my life. And as a Christian what I learned to hate was the shit that Christians read into the OT (and NT to a lesser degree) to bolster their own misguided theology. In the end I was not prepared to say "and we can ready into this passage that this obviously means this" when it blatently did not - such as the Titus passages I discussed earlier and Isaiah just now.So, now that you've embarrassed youself in your own drool, why not crawl back to Jesus - he'd be so proud of the post you've just mailed

What, to a group that has people such as you as associates? Who the hell would want that? I must say, we get some of the worst ambassadors for Christianity at EvC, but you really sink to new lows. But then, I guess you're only doing what Jesus would do... right?