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Author Topic:   Evidence for Intelligent Design-is there any?
Syamsu 
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Message 86 of 220 (481482)
09-11-2008 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Beretta
09-10-2008 9:59 AM


Re: Specified complexity
Beretta, there is plenty of evidence for intelligent design available, provided you have a reasonable attitude about knowledge about freedom.
Since about 10 years ago some scientists have discovered freedom, and so with this new science you can find decisions in the universe, and from there you get various theories that basically look like intelligent design.
It would be too compicated for me to explain the "hyperincursive" math of the theory, so I think it suffices to say that according to this theory everything in the universe is from decisions, so it is basically consistent with the creationist way of thinking.

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Message 89 of 220 (481544)
09-11-2008 3:06 PM
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09-11-2008 8:49 AM


Re: ID toothbrush.
No decisions come from a discrete harmonic oscillator also for instance.

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Message 95 of 220 (481555)
09-11-2008 3:44 PM
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09-11-2008 3:27 PM


Re: ID toothbrush.
The Superposed Hyperincursive System of the Discrete Harmonic Oscillator
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?pro...

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Message 98 of 220 (481689)
09-12-2008 6:09 AM
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09-12-2008 4:46 AM


Re: Specified complexity
A hyperincursive system creates multiple options for every step in time, and chooses one of them which becomes actualized, the other options revert to zero. That is the definition from memory, now how is this not freedom. Its also used by Taborsky to explain evolution in terms of reasoned and informed choices, used by Dubois to explain human free will. Its quite evident that you know absolutely nothing about hyperincursive theory. I suggest you look into it.

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Message 100 of 220 (481705)
09-12-2008 7:56 AM
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09-12-2008 7:16 AM


Re: Specified complexity
I think helping is kind of an understatement.
I dont remember exactly where the freedom arises in the math. Review of incursive and hyperincursive computing anticapatory systems or something, is the introductory paper, I suggest you take a look at that.

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