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Author Topic:   Evidence for Intelligent Design-is there any?
LucyTheApe
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Message 14 of 220 (480511)
09-04-2008 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Beretta
09-03-2008 10:47 AM


What other options are there?
G'day Beretta.
I'm confused, I thought Intelligent design was the default position until Darwin formalised biological evolution. What other theories are there?
If there aren't any other theories then evidence against evolution, it seems, is evidence for Intelligent Design.

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
Pascal

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LucyTheApe
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Message 16 of 220 (480518)
09-04-2008 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by RickJB
09-04-2008 7:47 AM


Re: What other options are there?
RickJB writes:
No, because we could have been created by accident by intergalactic robots.
Smart robots! Fortunately robots don't do anything by accident, they only do what they're programmed to do.
Unanticipated consequences, however serendipitous, is a mark of a bad designer.
Edited by LucyTheApe, : Grammar
Edited by LucyTheApe, : Typo

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
Pascal

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LucyTheApe
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Message 45 of 220 (480733)
09-05-2008 10:06 PM


Science fails
magic wand wielding mathematical unicorn
Eight thousand othere dieties, sprites, and leprechauns
All intelligent.
Literally, it could've been anything, a car driving in the street,
this pc I'm typing on, and I could go on and on.
You are.
gluadys writes:
That's a bit of a misrepresentation.
Unicellular forms did not hang around for billions of years unchanged.
Blue green algae was supposed to be the first life form over 3500000000 years ago, It's still around in exactly the same form today, if thats not unicellular forms hanging around for billions of years, what is?
Bluegenes writes:
Have you never heard of Lamarck?
Yes, an evolutionist.
rbp writes:
Lucy, there is no such thing as a default position in science.
Evolution is not science, it fits in somewhere between finger painting and story telling.
rbp writes:
The fact that there is no evidence towards ID, dosent[sic] lend any credibility towards evolution, evolutionary theories have their own evidence to support the theories.
[i][b]Evidence[/i][/b], a word bantered around by you group. Evidence is for jurors. Real science deals with cold hard facts.
Percy writes:
The fact of the matter is that here in yet another thread about the evidence of
intelligent design, its proponents can only offer evidence against evolution.
See, that word again. There is evidence everywhere for creation, its
just that atheists interpret the evidence from a position of no
God (you can't say you don't) and creationist from the contrary position.
The creationist belief that disproof of evolution will cause the
scientific world to embrace supernaturalism, or even just
accept mechanisms for which there is no evidence, can only
be based upon massive self-deception.
But of course it's alright for evolutionists to assume the same
inexplicaple assumtions, say like abiogenises.. or wait.. that's right,
thats not biology, thats chemistry!
1. Genes should be found that have no apparent predecessors.

Based of course, on the assumption that they do.
2. In species change happening today, we should find evidence of genetic changes that are completely unrelated to natural mutational mechanisms.

We should see hundred and even thousands of new species appearing every year;we find the opposite.
3. In the fossil record, new innovations should appear suddenly and wholly formed and with no more primitive antecedents.

Like the construction of temples.
4. In the fossil record, new innovations should appear in groups that are completely unrelated.

Humans
5. More generally, we should evidence of processes with no possible naturalistic explanation.

The creation of the universe.
No matter how you use your box of broken science tools and tricks, science itself can
never explain the mystery of the universe and us.

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
Pascal

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LucyTheApe
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Message 48 of 220 (480739)
09-06-2008 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by bluescat48
09-06-2008 12:08 AM


Re: Science fails
Coyote writes:
You have so many errors and misinterpretations in your post that it is not even worth responding to.
But you'll respond anyway right? Thought so.
But let me ask, why do the ID proponents keep referring to their particular religion and deities? I thought ID was supposed to be pure science. (Or didn't you get the memo?)
If you're referring to the use of the word God, it's a general term for any monotheistic diety. We can't give God a name because we can't comprehend him.
Well Coyote, I hope you wear a hat when you're out in the sun all day digging with a paint brush, doing your science, because that sun can get very intense.
Question:  As far a pure science is concerned, what would an archaeologist know?
Answer:  Nothing.
BCat48 writes:
and creation & ID is pure MYTHOLOGY & SUPERSTITION!!!!!
We all have mythical and spiritual understanding, it's part of the human condition. Thing is, some, especially certain scientists, prefer to ignore it.
which is not was science attempt to do, simply find out the most logical solution to anything not some mystical BS.
Another of the words evolutionist tend to overuse; Logic
Logic has no place in evolutionary theory, it's a formal structure belonging in the real sciences.
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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
Pascal

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LucyTheApe
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Message 52 of 220 (480750)
09-06-2008 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Adminnemooseus
09-06-2008 2:15 AM


Re: For you, does "intelligent design" = "creationism"?
Adminnemooseus writes:
My impression is that you have no pretense that intelligent design is part of science.
No Adminnemooseus, wrong impression. Intelligent design and Creationism fall outside the realm of science, so does evolution. The only reason the concept of an Intelligent Designer is necessary is because we have Heathens trying to remove the significance of life, and the hope promised to our children.
Science (or what I call real science) is a subset of reality, a limited set of tools and understanding, and as such cannot provide solutions which lay outside its scope.
But I assume that you believe ID isn't science.

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
Pascal

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