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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design == Human Design?
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Message 10 of 196 (559987)
05-12-2010 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by tesla
05-11-2010 1:40 AM


Re: a scientific approach to the intelligent design issue:
The truth is: God is a possability. and one that should not be ignored.
Why should we include God in science and our description of how life works and has changed over time?
Given the very limited capabilities of human observation, and the size of the universe we inhabit, and how small a part of it this earth really is; Keeping intelligent design out of the classroom is a very foolish and arrogant act.
Why should ID be included in science education? Which scientists are using ID to do original research? Can you point to one scientific peer reviewed paper where a scientist has used ID to design experiments and refine conclusions? Can you point to a single clinical trial of a new drug that was developed using ID? Can you name a single scientist that has submitted and NIH research grant that includes methodologies used for testing ID? What use, other than religious indoctrination, is there for teaching ID in the science classroom or in scientific research?
Only when there is proof there is no God, should ID be rejected.
False. Only when there is evidence of ID should it be considered. You are using a negative argument which is a logical fallacy.
Without that proof anyone who rejects ID is doing so purely for the sake of a biased opinion based on NO facts.
Assertions made without evidence can be rejected without evidence. That's the way science works.

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Message 32 of 196 (560314)
05-14-2010 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by tesla
05-12-2010 11:44 PM


Re: a scientific approach to the intelligent design issue:
Because the difference between a Godless dynamic and a God dynamic, is that rules can change if God IS, which makes God a very important variable.
Which rules, and what evidence do you have that they have been changed?
The fact God is a possability is foolish to ignore considering we do not understand the plane of thought and emotion.
We aren't talking about Possibility Class. We are talking about Science Class. In science there are these things called evidence, hypotheses, experiments, and theories. For some reason you need something other than possibilities for science.
Consider this: a man who accepts what he does not know, has the opertunity to know more.
A man who ascribes supernatural magic to things he does not know will never know more.
It should be included because its a potential truth. Science cannot afford to be in the buisness of ignoring potentials.
Then do the science and show that it is more than a potential. Only then is it appropriate for science class.
You EXIST. And have NO idea why. what more evidence is needed?
For my existence? None. I exist. Wow, whopper of a conclusion.
All you have offered is hot air. No evidence. No research. Not even a testable hypothesis. Nothing. This is why ID does not belong in the science classroom. It isn't science. It is religious indoctrination.
You can't find evidence your not looking for.
I would assume you are looking for it, and you still can't tell us what this evidence is. You can't even tell us what experiments we can run to test ID "theory". You can't point to a single peer reviewed research paper that contains original ID research. You can't point to a single scientist who is seeking funding based on ID research. And yet, you want ID taught in SCIENCE class even though ID has produced ZERO SCIENCE. Cart before the horse?
I see all the time the same argument: show me ID science. As if somhow that ID means there is some specific new dynamics to science that should appear like magic. ID is a variable, not a new type of science.
I didn't say that ID is a new type of science. What I am asking for is a hypothesis, null hypothesis, experiment, and conclusion dealing with ID. You know, SCIENCE!!! Why is that so hard to understand?
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Message 70 of 196 (560728)
05-17-2010 9:24 AM
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05-15-2010 9:44 AM


Re: a scientific approach to the intelligent design issue:
Science is observation.
No it is not. Science is a method.
Observations are observations. Science is a method by which you construct an hypothesis (and an accompanying null hypothesis), construct an experiment that will test that hypothesis, and then make observations. Science is not "Well, this is a possibility". If the single requirement for teaching something in science class was that it is possible then we would be teaching all sorts of solipsistic nonsense. We would also have to teach Last Thursdayism, as one example.
Do you do experiments and not observe the results?
Do IDers do experiments which test ID hypotheses? If so, what are they?
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Message 79 of 196 (561270)
05-19-2010 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by tesla
05-19-2010 12:00 AM


Re: a scientific approach to the intelligent design issue:
I have (what i can find) In message 23. No one person can tackle so large a task.
All you presented was a long list of unsupported assertions and special pleading.
The thing is, No one, (church included) Is ready to accept the definition the laws of science, and the observations of the universe, show.
Projection much? The observations show a lack of a supernatural deity. It seems that you are unwilling to accept this and instead assert that God exists without any evidence whatsoever. If I am wrong, please point out the observations of God.
The evidence Say's he's there.
What evidence? Or better yet, what evidence would prove that God does NOT exist in your view?

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Message 139 of 196 (562946)
06-02-2010 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by tesla
05-31-2010 9:52 AM


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The evidence supports God is. It's empirical data backed up by reliable math and laws.
Then let's use your arguments to see if it really works. I will use empirical data just like you.
E=mc^2, therefore leprechauns exist. See how I did that? I used one of the best known facts in science to show that leprechauns exist. Can you please show me where I went wrong in this argument?

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