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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
First off, herbals are not packaged and sold as medicine. They are sold as natural food suppliments; big, big difference. Sthen how do I know if the herbal supplement will or will not interact with my hydrochlorothiazide (blood thinner) or my metoprolol tartrate (High Blood pressure medicine). On the side of the bottle of the seonsd medicine listed it states
Metoprolol label writes: WARNING: take with or immediately after food. It is very important that you take or use this exactly as directed. Do not skip doses or discontinue unless directed by your doctor.May cause dizziness may cause drowsiness. Alcohol may intensify this effect. Use care when operating a car or dangerous machines. Some non-prescription drugs may aggravate your condition. Read all labels carefully. If a warning appears, check with your doctor A similar but different warning is on the other. Now what instructions are on the herbals? There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 377 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
Quick - without looking it up, tell me the brand name of the herbal supplements in your medicine cabinet. You can't, can you? If these companies are operating with essentially no brand recognition at all, how are you even going to remember to punish them with your pocketbook? I can and its Jamieson. If I read something tomorrow about them lacing their vitamin C with viagra you can bet they will be off the shelf. Where am I going to hear it from? The same place I hear about Atomoxetine (Strattera) causing kids to off themselves. Sorry - we can't find that page I agree with the rest of your post especially this The efficacy of treatment, herbal or traditional, has to be assessed on the basis of double-blind trials. That's the only way to know if they really work. Anything else is just quackery.
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 377 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
You missed a biggie, Dogmafood. Add to your list over 700,000 annulal medical malpractice deaths, 150,000 to 200,000 being from prescribed drugs. (Where did you get your so low figure on prescribed drugs? I've seen figures as high as 350,000 but never anywhere near your low figure) My point was that alot of people die from regulated drugs. Regulations dont protect you as much as information does.
Bottom line: Hundreds of thousands can be either directly or indirectly attributed to marijuana usage. Thats probably another thread but the regulation of mj has killed alot more people than the plant itself.
What is good for the sheeple is bass akwards, so far as govmn't regulation and scrutiny goes. I dont know that that is fair but you can protect yourself against it with information.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
crashfrog writes: ........contaiminated herbs have to poison somebody, or the fascists win! I take it that you're trying to label folks who want less guvm't control of the herbals fascists. If my tired ole brain has deciphered the wordage of your message wrong or if you can explain, sensibly, why folks who think like me are fascist I'll ramp up the 1 rating I gave your message up some. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Dogmafood writes: My point was that alot of people die from regulated drugs. Regulations dont protect you as much as information does. I got your ultimate point that you want marijuana deregulated, but you didn't answer my question. Where did you come up with your figure on the pharms deaths annually?
Dogmafood writes: Bottom line: Hundreds of thousands can be either directly or indirectly attributed to marijuana usage. Thats probably another thread but the regulation of mj has killed alot more people than the plant itself. How so, especially figuring in the indirect danger of controlled illicit drugs.
Dogmafood writes: Buzsaw writes: What is good for the sheeple is bass akwards, so far as govmn't regulation and scrutiny goes. I dont know that that is fair but you can protect yourself against it with information. How can you protect yourself if you can't buy and sell freely the safe naturals because the producers are regulated out of business? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buz writes: How can you protect yourself if you can't buy and sell freely the safe naturals because the producers are regulated out of business? Where is there any evidence that producers would be regulated out of business? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
bluescat48 writes: Sthen how do I know if the herbal supplement will or will not interact with my hydrochlorothiazide (blood thinner) or my metoprolol tartrate (High Blood pressure medicine). On the side of the bottle of the seonsd medicine listed it states Metoprolol label writes:WARNING: take with or immediately after food. It is very important that you take or use this exactly as directed. Do not skip doses or discontinue unless directed by your doctor.May cause dizziness may cause drowsiness. Alcohol may intensify this effect. Use care when operating a car or dangerous machines. Some non-prescription drugs may aggravate your condition. Read all labels carefully. If a warning appears, check with your doctor A similar but different warning is on the other. Now what instructions are on the herbals? As an example, I take Hawthorn berry capsules twice a day for a healthy heart. (My pulse ranges from 48 bpm to 55 bpm, likely due to being a long distance track runner when young.) A warning on it reads as follows:
WARNING: Consult your healthcare provider before use if you are pregnant, nursing or taking prescription medication, especially medication prescribed for heart/cardiovascular conditions. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
How can you protect yourself if you can't buy and sell freely the safe naturals because the producers are regulated out of business?
How do you know your naturals are safe without regulations governing their production and use? It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: Where is there any evidence that producers would be regulated out of business? I suggest a reading of the whole page from which the following segment was copied.
This move by the FDA is designed to once and for all destroy the 1994 DSHEA law that has made supplements "legal" while eliminating nutritional supplements and natural medicine from the United States, ensuring monopoly profits and control by drug companies and the FDA. It is the latest action item by the FDA / Big Pharma conspiracy that will not stop until health freedom has been abolished, drug companies rule the nation, and every citizen is diagnosed with a fictitious disease and drugged up on monopoly-priced pharmaceuticals.
(Color emphasis mine) FDA "experts" will decide what's a drug or medical device Under these proposed guidelines, FDA "experts" (the same corrupt officials who reapproved Vioxx after it killed over 50,000 Americans) will decide whether herbs, supplements, vitamins or simple devices like massage stones are to be regulated as drugs and medical devices. If the FDA experts, in their infinite wisdom, decide that these things are to be reclassified, they will essentially be outlawed, stripped from the shelves, and regulated out of existence. Anyone who dares to manufacture, promote or sell such products may be branded a criminal and rounded up by armed FDA agents who have a well established history of suppressing natural medicine BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry Buz but I see no evidence in that, just a lots of innuendo.
Where is there any evidence that producers would be put out of business by regulations? You do know that herbals are sold in most developed countries EVEN THOUGH they are regulated? Edited by jar, : hit key too soon. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Dr Jones writes: How do you know your naturals are safe without regulations governing their production and use? Me? Like I say, after taking likely a ton or so over the decades, the only side effects have been good, enhancing whole body health. Why should I worry about safety when there's essentially no threat, being I take no pharms; not even aspirin. What I worry about now is the likely loss of freedom and loss of sources to buy the products. Buzgirl and I can cure a ourselves and our pet dog of ailments combining herbals, vits, and diet etc. We can also prevent ailments with them. We have avoided docs and vets totally over the decades, but, of course, the guvm't don't allow the bottles to be labeled possible cures. That's ok, but essentially outlawing what we need; not ok. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Me? Like I say, after taking likely a ton or so over the decades, the only side effects have been good, enhancing whole body health. Why should I worry about safety when there's essentially no threat, being I take no pharms; not even aspirin.
Thats great for you, but what about the other people taking them? What regulations are in place to prevent overdosing, harmful side effects, or harmful interaction with other products/conditions?
That's ok, but essentially outlawing what we need; not ok.
What would be outlawed? It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
returinator writes: I linked to an article about herbs for sale in US being commonly contaminated with pesticides and heavy metals. We're hearing about contaminated herbs, Buz. Can you document what percentage have heavy metals and pesticides? Most of the comanies we buy from use organically grown ingredients. The synthetics likely are more prone to have traces of contaminants. But how many people are getting seriously ill or dying from even the ones with traces of contaminants? Likely few or none. Many of the unregulated foods on grocery shelves have even more of these contaminants than the herbals. Compare that to the dangerous poisonous prescribed pharms record and go figure. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I take it that you're trying to label folks who want less guvm't control of the herbals fascists. No, Buz. Not even close. I'm saying that you're labelling the people who want sensible regulation of herbal products "fascists". I'm lampooning your position. That's why it says "shorter Buz". That's an internet synonym that means "So, to sum up your position, in other words:".
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Regulations dont protect you as much as information does. Regulations protected thousands of Americans from being deformed by thalidomide. In Canada and Europe, thousands more were born with deformities because there was literally no information, to be had at any price or by any means by any consumer, on the effects on developing infants in mothers taking the drug. No testing is required to be done on these herbals. Buz will tell you that if it comes from a plant, it must be harmless at worst; that completely ignores the vast panopoly of plant toxins. Indeed the only reason any of these herbals have any physiological effect at all is because the plants are producing toxins. Those polyphenols are the plant's own natural pesticides. You're taking herbs that are trying to kill you.
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