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cavediver
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Message 1 of 33 (583492)
09-27-2010 5:56 PM


I'm still utterly perplexed by my self-awareness. Although I still find the idea of everyone else's self-awareness troubling, it's my own that causes the greatest confusion. There is an obvious parameter-space of all possible humans, all possible personality/memory combinations, but what is the space of all possible awarenesses? Are the two spaces related? The former is continuous, the latter appears more discrete. Is my awareness a necessary member of that space? Are all possible awarenesses realised? If not, what was the probability of me? Vanishingly small? So what does that imply?
The confusion is not surprising, given how little we appreciate. The passage of time is not a feature of the Universe, just of our own awareness. 13.5 billion years of time did not pass by until my awareness "awoke". My awareness has always existed. There has never been a time nor will there ever be a time when my awareness does not exist. After I die I will not be in a state of no-awareness, as there is no such thing as "after I die". So I don't even understand what death is in the context of awareness.
If you half a clue as to what I am blathering about, please let me know your thoughts, as I'm in the dark. We're talking zombies, teleportation, and quantum immortality.

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cavediver
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Message 4 of 33 (583503)
09-27-2010 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by nwr
09-27-2010 6:39 PM


I would be careful with that one. "Human" is not defined with the precision of mathematics.
Ok, I'll loosen that slightly to all possible arrangements of matter. That covers your bees and amoeba.
now you are using a vague predicate in a quantifier which attempts to appear precise.
Read it as a question as to whether we can get that precise.
I am, however, perplexed by my inability to find a way of explaining to other my lack of perplexity.
Helpful.
Actually, no, we are not. That you think we are might hint at why you find it so perplexing.
Actually, I'll rephrase that to say that we're talking about the issues that are raised in my head when I hear others discussing these issues. Such as in questions of teleportation, the fact that two camps appear, both of whom claiming to be the materialists, and accusing each other of being the dualists. That such a discrepancy occurs reveals the uncertainty is many of the concepts arising - "death" of awareness being one in particular.
Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

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cavediver
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Message 31 of 33 (591917)
11-17-2010 6:11 AM


Apologies....
...for the long absence from this thread that I started and then promptly and rather rudely abandoned. My house move will be over by next week and I intend to get back and follow up on all your replies. Thanks

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