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Originally posted by John Paul:
Originally posted by John Paul:
Dembski derived the Design Explanatory Filter:
start with an event- E:
Does E have a High Probability of occurring?
if yes it is attributed to regularity.
If No, we ask does E have an intermediate probability of occurring?
if Yes we can attribute it to chance.
If No we ask does E have a Small Probability of occurring AND is it specified?
If Yes we attribute it to Design.
if No we attribute it to chance.
John Paul:
There is no known naturally originating object that exhibits CSI. There is plenty of literature out there that can be read that tells you how ID is inferred. Dembski's filter is a start.
First, I admit I haven't even heard of Demski let alone read anything
he's written ... however ...
The filter as stated is a series of value judgements on the
probablity of something having occurred.
If we take abiogenesis as an example, how to attribute the probablity
of it occurring, and hence follow through the filter.
On the original topic of this thread, I'd like to say that the
easiest way to detect design is to find the designer. IF we
can find some positive, objective tests for design, then we
do not need to know who the designer is.
A large number of assertions abound as I've mentioned in the
ID debate) that there are no naturally ocurring complex systems.
Anything quoted as naturally occurring complexity is said to be
not natural at all but the work of the IDer.
Therefore, providing an example of naturally occurring complexity
is futile (it's one side beleives iit is the other beleives it isn't
and doesn't progress the debate).
We need a set of objective criteria for designed systems.