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xongsmith
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Message 60 of 197 (608526)
03-11-2011 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by New Cat's Eye
03-09-2011 5:58 PM


Re: When the system is broke ...
Catholic Scientist writes:
I don't think any oil is gonna help that machine.
OMG i am laughing so hard it hurts! OW
OW! OW...etc.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 62 of 197 (608529)
03-11-2011 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Perdition
03-10-2011 1:18 PM


Re: Which point
Perdition writes:
There are two ways to make large changes, get a large group of people, or get large sums of money. Large groups of people fall prey to differing ultimate goals, and large sums of money are tough to come by. Therefore, the ones who already have large sums of money are the ones driving society while the rest of us are along for the ride, regardless of whether we like the ultimate destination.
Let me just add here that we might be forgetting one of the best quotations ever in the world, from a modest anthropologist, who also happened to be a woman - the superb Dr. Margaret Mead, who I actually now have to paraphrase here because I am a faulty memory machine:
"Never doubt that a small group of determined people cannot change the world. Indeed, it is the *only* way it has ever happened."
Edited by xongsmith, : No reason given.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 105 of 197 (608729)
03-13-2011 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by jar
03-12-2011 7:45 PM


Re: "We"
jar writes:
That's okay, I'll keep trying.
Oh jar...you are being so annoyingly childish here. "We" - LOL. Get a grip with your huge 8" sloppy brush. Put it down and look at the delicate waterpainting brushes, the littler ones. You come off as a stubborn little kid with that 8" brush what that aint never been the right tool, just like I still do.
Maybe your point seems to be that the electorate that voted in the shitholes we have had over the last 25 years in particular is all of our fault, ala' Pogo's famous call out finding the enemy. I think you'll find that most of those of us on the left side never voted for those shitholes. Are you actually going to continue to push forth the notion that the asshole across the street who did vote for those shitholes is my fault? Maybe you & I voted for these shitholes? Or...maybe you are really just horribly upset at what Obama has turned out to be (like me) and - to assuage your own perceived guilt at helping to put that man in office - have decided that we are all guilty and thus this childish "we" bullshit you are promoting? (Don't do that - it is not your fault!)
The majority of eligible voters in the USA don't even vote. And even those that do often turn in a blank ballot so that they can come home and say "Yep - I voted". Are they the "we" who have voted everytime, rain or snow or sleet or hail?
How I would love to ALWAYS have on every ballot "None of the Above." And if "None of the Above" wins, it automatically creates an immediate new election with none of the candidates listed allowed on the ballot - they have proved they are all disqualified. I would also mandate that the ballots allow you to rank the candidates 1, 2, 3, 4... etc.
I might even make voting a tax credit of $100.00 on your income tax form.
Perhaps you, like I, think it is already too late for the voters to be able to do anything about it using the system as it is and there must instead be a revolution.
As Tonto grinned back to the Lone Ranger, "What do you mean 'we', kimosabe?"
Maybe you just sit back and think, ah well - I'll live in the interstices drinking Smuttynose IPA while the empire decays and rots away.
Not sure.
BTW, for months & months & months I thought your avatar was some form of red newtish amphibian swimming down in the green mucky pond scum while a lily flower floated above, which was something I kind of liked, but now i see it is more like a scimitar. In fact it looks like something out The Arabian Nights in nuance, not that there's anything wrong that. Cool 7-pointed star, though. The ignorance is all mine. It appears to be a kind of badge you might want to sew on a military uniform.
Alas, I admit that my avatar, on the other hand, represents a more insidious symbol of terrible violence - made all the worse by the fact that inflicts no visible damage to any part of the body, but is so the much more painful, in that you have to indure it inside of an otherwise completely healthy body.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 106 of 197 (608730)
03-13-2011 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by jar
03-12-2011 8:20 PM


Re: "We"
jar writes:
The masses mostly operated through utter willful ignorance, short term thinking and the great failing of believing source over content.
I would slightly alter this to say:
The masses are mostly operated on through utter willful ignorance, short term thinking and the great failing of believing source over content.
The concept of influence is pretty irrelevant. If we are influenced then that is still our fault.
But there are degrees of fault. If I see a commercial and buy it, fuck me. If I see a commercial and resist and buy the local instead, then I may be doing something positive. But I still "caved into something".
We are charged to become an educated electorate.
NO SHIT SHERLOCK.
I clearly explained how far back I was post dating the "WE", perhaps you missed it. I have also repeatedly said I am talking about the US.
You have been OPAQUE.
Inheritance is also irrelevant. If we inherited a mess it is just up to us to clean it up.
.....but at least we should have have full permission to raid fully the tombs, estates and inheritances (providing no descendant of the venal criminals goes into the poor house - it aint their fault is it?) of those who fucked it up!
Mercy to the gay daughter of Dick Cheney!!!!!

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 132 of 197 (609234)
03-17-2011 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by jar
03-17-2011 10:28 AM


Re: we dood it to ourselves.
jar writes:
No, I said that WE are responsible for our not having equal influence, that it was our decision to create that situation.
We did it to ourselves.
Oh yeah?, so what?! How does this shed any new light on the situation? How is this "earthshaking" conclusion useful?
How is it that Phat managed to simply say everything you have been unsuccessfully trying to say? I think you owe him a couple of those heaping bowlfuls of monster cookies. He, at least, gave us some of the "so what" of it.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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