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GDR
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Message 50 of 56 (611664)
04-09-2011 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by iano
04-09-2011 9:37 AM


Iano writes:
If the inspiration is from God then wouldn't all the conclusions drawn by the inspired whilst under inspiration conform to God's view? For example:
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Acts 18:9 One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision: Do not be afraid; keep on speaking, do not be silent. 10 For I am with you, and no one is going to attack and harm you, because I have many people in this city. 11 So Paul stayed in Corinth for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
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What practical difference God's view issued by dictation or inspiration?
We would agree that Paul was inspired by God to continue teaching in Corinth. It doesn't follow at all, unless one decides to impose their own view on what is written, that Paul would just be a conduit for God to speak through without involving Paul's own thoughts. It just means that Paul was gifted, and inspired, to preach to the Corinthians and as Paul would agree, to do so in spite of his human failings.
For example: Thirty years ago I believe I was led into a ministry of leading sing-alongs with seniors. I have been doing it ever since but as anyone who has heard me can well attest I don't do it perfectly.
I believe that the Biblical authors, were inspired to write down their experiences of God and that now we in turn are to allow ourselves to be inspired by what they wrote. We are to be inspired to reflect God's love and righteousness to the world, we are to learn from the mistakes that have been made by the various authors and the people they wrote about, we are to be led in all truth by God's Holy Spirit and the Bible is one of the gifts given us by God to do that. Will we do it perfectly? Not by a long shot.
I have been going through the book of Joshua. It is a blood curdling story about Joshua going from one town to another killing everyone in sight declaring that God is delivering them into their hands. Does that idea bear any resemblance whatsoever to what Jesus taught? We are to look at the story of Jonah and be inspired to sort out how he went so wrong and to draw parallels in our own lives, both as individuals and as societies so that we don't make the same mistakes.
I contend that if we try to turn the Bible into one long book of rules and other absolutes we are missing out on so much of what God wants to teach us. As I have said before, I don’t believe that the Bible is the 4th member of the Trinity. God has created us with free will and to treat the Bible as a book that would have us follow without question a set of laws negates our ability to follow God, as seen through the lens of the resurrected Jesus who we are told is the word of God. We are to follow out of love not fear.
The Bible chronicles the history and stories of God’s people. When looked at from a distance it tells the meta-narrative from creation to new creation and calls us to see where and how we fit into that story.
Edited by GDR, : typo

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GDR
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Message 52 of 56 (611671)
04-09-2011 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by ICANT
04-08-2011 1:22 PM


ICANT writes:
All I know is that I have met the requirements that Jesus set down for me to receive eternal life. I do not know about anybody else.
I'm not questioning your faith or your love of God but in writing that you sound so much like the Pharisees. They believed if they just followed all the food laws, kept the Sabbath with all that entailed that they would be alright and that God would return, rebuild the temple and vindicate them. Jesus told them they had their model wrong.
I suggest that the model God wants us to follow is simply that of love, a love freely chosen, because love is where our heart is, not just so that we can be on the right side of God.
Once again I go back to Micah where we are told exactly what it is that God wants of us. We are to humbly love kindness and do justice. There is nothing in there about getting our theology right. The same message is echoed in Christ's parable of the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25.
The road to hell is one freely chosen as well. It is the road we choose to travel when we are unwilling to accept love that supersedes our love of self. I suggest reading C S Lewis’ book The Great Divorce.

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Message 54 of 56 (611675)
04-09-2011 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by sac51495
04-09-2011 7:29 PM


sac51495 writes:
As Jesus himself said,
"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:18-19
Sure, but let’s look at where he is going with this. He has just finished preaching The Beatitudes in which he describes the life that we are to lead now in anticipation of the time when God’s will, will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven, or at the time of new creation.
Just before the verse you quoted, Jesus said that he hadn’t come to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfill them. This was a revolutionary message. It was new beginning and when you read the beatitudes you can see that the laws to which he is referring to aren’t about absolutes but are generalities such as blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, and blessed are the peacemakers. He then goes on to give a series of things not to do such as murder and things to do such as loving your enemy. But once again these things are encapsulated in what he says towards the end of the sermon when he says, In everything, do unto others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. In other words unselfish love fulfills every jot and tittle of the law.

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