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Author Topic:   Going to hell? Fringe lunatics
Jon
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Message 4 of 56 (611374)
04-07-2011 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
04-07-2011 11:43 AM


How is anyone to know who is saved and who is not, or whether such categories even exist?

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Message 10 of 56 (611382)
04-07-2011 7:08 PM
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04-07-2011 6:41 PM


No way man, there has got to be retribution and reward or the whole thing falls like a stack of cards.
Indeed; the pronouncements of who's saved are little more than a marketing gimmick.

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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr

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Message 15 of 56 (611409)
04-07-2011 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by arachnophilia
04-07-2011 8:29 PM


then all christians are liars.
I wouldn't say 'all', but a great majority certainly are, and happily so, to boot.

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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr

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Message 19 of 56 (611418)
04-07-2011 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by sac51495
04-07-2011 9:32 PM


Re: Judging
... they were not born of Adam: Jesus Christ.
Huh? Say what!?

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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr

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Message 24 of 56 (611427)
04-07-2011 10:45 PM
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04-07-2011 10:35 PM


Re: Judging
The man is the parent through which sin comes, because the man stands as the being first created by God (think back to the Garden of Eden), and as the one commanded not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Note that Adam and Eve did not notice they were naked when Eve ate of the fruit, but when Adam ate of the fruit. This does not demean or lower the role of the woman, but merely differentiates between the proper roles of men and women in the world. Thus, since by Adam they fell, through the man comes sin: therefore, regarding the birth of men, men who are born of men are all sinners. Men born of the spirit and a woman, though, are not. This is because the woman, though she is descended from Adam, does not pass the "sin nature" to her descendants. But what she did pass down to Jesus was a physical body. This is why Christ had to be born of a virgin: so that he could live just as we live. But by virtue of His birth of the Spirit, He was not a sinner: and yet He was fully man.
Any support whatsoever for such malarkey?

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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr

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Message 55 of 56 (611694)
04-10-2011 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Rahvin
04-08-2011 12:45 PM


Faith and Works
The doctrine of salvation by faith has long supported the idea that anyone can get into Heaven regardless of past sins, that being the entire point.
Even more to the point, there is no Faith vs. Works. Faith is Works, and Works is Faith.
quote:
Matthew 7:21—23 (NRSV):
'Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord", will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?" Then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers."
Hearers and Doers
Actually believing in Jesus, or even knowing of him, almost appears irrelevant:
quote:
Matthew 25:37—40 (NRSV):
Then the righteous will answer him, "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?" And the king will answer them, "Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me."
Christian apologists like to try to combine the two doctrines using a variety of rationalizations.
And that's just the thing: there's nothing to combine; there aren't two 'doctrines', just one.
Jon

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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr

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