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Author | Topic: Which More 3LoT Compatible, Cavediver's Temp.Non-ID Or Buzsaw's Infinite ID Universe | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
how about showing how you define entropy. That might be a start to show where you are going wrong.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Straggler writes: Take a moment to look around you Buz. Every single event and activity you can see is contributing to increasing, never decreasing, entropy.Do you understand this? Do you dispute this? You need to answer this simple question if anything remotely resembling progress is to be made here.- As per my hypothesis, how does that equate to the definition of entropy on the Free Online Dictionary?
quote: Edited by Buzsaw, : edit coloredBUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
PaulK writes: Buz, instead of being cryptic all the time why don't you explain your point. Are you claiming that your "intelligent designer" can decrease the total entropy of the universe ? Just by doing work ? Indefinitely with only a finite amount of energy ? If not, then what is the point of bringing it up at all ? Perhaps if you can answer my question to Straggler in Message 257 you can figure out the answer to your question. Of course the finite amount of energy which is capable of being worked/engineered by my engineer Jehovah, the Biblical god amounts to all of the energy existing in the infinite unbounded space & infinite time of the Universe/system. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by Buzsaw, : edit gold colorBUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Theodoric writes: how about showing how you define entropy. That might be a start to show where you are going wrong. There it be in Message 257, Theodoric. Go for a falsifying response to my hypothesis relative to the definition. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
the second law of thermodynamics is about thermodynamics, therefore definition #2 is not relevant to this discussion.
God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177 It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in mindssoon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Straggler writes: So - just to be clear - You think the second law of thermodynamics tells us that entropy always increases EXCEPT when intelligent beings decide to impose order in the world and reduce net entropy in doing so.Is this what you think? As per the Online Free Dictionary definition of entropy, it is only a measurement of the amount of "thermal energy not available to do work" and the amount of "disorder or randomness" in the system. It does not specify that the entropy of the system must always increase. That is an assumption based on Cavedivers/your conventional science uniformitarion expansion. theory which defies logic and violates these basic laws of sciencetheory. . quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Buz, you really should stop tinkering with science unless you are willing to learn something about it first.
First, you have no talent for it. Second, your approach is the exact opposite of real science. You are not looking for answers, you are trying to force your religious beliefs into a scientific framework. They don't fit. Third, for those of who do know something about various fields of science it is very painful to watch you floundering about. Fourth, you're not convincing anyone. You're just making yourself and your cause look foolish. ====== The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Please explain this and post a reliable link source which agrees. This is a corollary of something known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics, you may have heard of it.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
As per the Online Free Dictionary definition of entropy, it is only a measurement of the amount of "thermal energy not available to do work" and the amount of "disorder or randomness" in the system. It does not specify that the entropy of the system must always increase. That is an assumption based on Cavedivers/your conventional science uniformitarion expansion. theory which defies logic and violates these basic laws of sciencetheory. . No, that is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If in the name of your "Infinite ID Universe" you wish to deny that this is the case, then your ideas are not "3LoT Compatible", what with them involving a denial of one of the three laws.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
As per the Online Free Dictionary definition of entropy, Buz, old bean, you have proven your ability to copy and paste text from online dictionaries. However, what you have failed to do (quite miserably, I might add) is display a working knowledge of the words with which you copy/paste said definitions of. It is easy to "know" a word and have no actual clue as to how to accurately, or even effectively, use it in proper discussion. It would be seen as almost heroic if you admitted that you don't actually understand these words and asked for help in getting a working definition. It has become tiresome reading your posts in which you slop a bunch of smart sounding words together that make the sentence they appear in altogether unintelligible. I say all that to say this: it is increasingly apparent that you've not the foggiest idea what entropy means in the sense you are attempting to use it and the sense the rest of us recognize as being pertinent to this discussion.Put the FSM back in Chrifsmas
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Dr Adequate writes: No, that is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If in the name of your "Infinite ID Universe" you wish to deny that this is the case, then your ideas are not "3LoT Compatible", what with them involving a denial of one of the three laws. The 2LoT may be expressed in different ways, one of the most prominent being
the Clausius Statement, It depends on the processes of the system. According to the Clausius Statement, if the sole purpose of the process is to transfer heat to a higher temperature from a lower temperature, that would be impossible. That would be applicable if the process is spontaneous. In my system the transfer of heat is not spontaneous. It is intelligently designed by a working engineer. So far as I am aware, 2LoT does not specify that the system must be a spontaneous system. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
hooah writes: Buz, old bean, you have proven your ability to copy and paste text from online dictionaries. However, what you have failed to do (quite miserably, I might add) is display a working knowledge of the words with which you copy/paste said definitions of. It is easy to "know" a word and have no actual clue as to how to accurately, or even effectively, use it in proper discussion. It would be seen as almost heroic if you admitted that you don't actually understand these words and asked for help in getting a working definition. It has become tiresome reading your posts in which you slop a bunch of smart sounding words together that make the sentence they appear in altogether unintelligible. I say all that to say this: it is increasingly apparent that you've not the foggiest idea what entropy means in the sense you are attempting to use it and the sense the rest of us recognize as being pertinent to this discussion. Just stay aboard, Hooah. Keep your keys cool unless you have something substantive to contribute. Perhaps, even ole man Buz can teach you something edifying. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Coyote writes: Buz, you really should stop tinkering with science unless you are willing to learn something about it first.First, you have no talent for it. This is the Freeforall Forum, Coyote. the only place I can do science of any nature, until I get around to getting up a thread on the nature of science. As I understand it some tinkering is permissible in this forum.
Coyote writes: Second, your approach is the exact opposite of real science. You are not looking for answers, you are trying to force your religious beliefs into a scientific framework. They don't fit. My approach involves a lot of what I read about from esteemed sources and cite links on, pertaining to 2LoT. If that's not real science, members should refrain from citing some of it themselves. No? Who's forces their science on who, here at EvC, Coyote? It's my stuff that has been the most restricted, moderated, censored or outright banned.
Coyote writes: . Well, man, nobody's forcing you to read it. I appreciate your input when it's something besides demeaning the person.
Third, for those of who do know something about various fields of science it is very painful to watch you floundering about. Coyote writes: Fourth, you're not convincing anyone. You're just making yourself and your cause look foolish. How would you know if I'm not convincing anyone, Coyote? Only God knows what goes on in the minds of guests and members who do not express an opinion. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
According to the Clausius Statement, if the sole purpose of the process is to transfer heat to a higher temperature from a lower temperature, that would be impossible. That would be applicable if the process is spontaneous. In my system the transfer of heat is not spontaneous. It is intelligently designed by a working engineer. The second law doesn't make exceptions for engineers. On the contrary. It says that such a system can't exist. Therefore, an engineer can't make one.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member
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I counted eight members debating Buz on JUST the last two pages alone. Eight.
For someone who apperantly doesn't know jack squat about what even the Lots mean he sure garners much attention. Keep it up boys. When you think you have someone down don't let up. It's what all the best debaters do, well, not really but it sure is amusing to watch.
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