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Coyote
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Message 29 of 306 (638400)
10-21-2011 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by IamJoseph
10-21-2011 11:18 PM


Re: A GUIDE FOR THE PERPLEXED.
99% of Archeological determinations are made by 'NAMES' - not by relics or C14.
Sorry to disagree, but that is not true.
It certainly isn't true for standard archaeology (which I practice), and it isn't even true for classical archaeology.
But if you have evidence to the contrary, you might present it in a new thread. That seems off-topic in this thread.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 50 of 306 (638463)
10-22-2011 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by IamJoseph
10-22-2011 1:06 PM


life spans
It is scientifically positive that the earlier human's life spans would be greater than ours, yet their performance levels would also be much smaller than ours.
Please present some scientific evidence to support this claim.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 71 of 306 (638504)
10-22-2011 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by IamJoseph
10-22-2011 9:19 PM


Re: life spans
In message 51 you stated in regard to lengthened life spans: "It is based on the accepted premise of the universe's acceleration and de-acceleration."
Now in message 68 you state that "How is the fact the expanding universe has no effect on time a non sequitur...?"
I would still like some scientific explanation as to how the average life span of modern humans (the last 10,000 years or so) has changed drastically.
Archaeological evidence suggests shorter average life spans in the past.
(This question is on topic as it pertains directly to the time Noah's flood occurred, based on either scientific or biblical evidence. In this case it was claimed that scientific evidence showed significantly longer life spans in the past, and that is what I am questioning.)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 74 of 306 (638510)
10-22-2011 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by IamJoseph
10-22-2011 9:57 PM


Re: life spans
And chess champs make poor war generals. One must apply mind over matter here, not repeat everything they read as non-negotiable COMMANDMENTS.
I do archaeology for a living, with human skeletal analysis as one of my specialties.
Don't equate this as "repeating everything I read" as you would be entirely wrong. Again.
The issue of shorter life spans is also seen today - in countries where poor survival conditions are present.
This is what has been seen around the world for most of our 200,000 years as modern humans. No surprises there.
This has no bearing on the earliest periods where the earth was less impacted by such conditions as deseases, population and war displacements: the premise you apply is about history, not physics.
Sorry, no. That is not supported by the facts.
It is again transcended by the physics of the universe expansion and its impacts.This factor gives scientific plausibility humans would have had greater life spans in the first 500 years, in diminishing ratios as conditions became impacted by negative factors. It also says a 24 hour day was relatively recent in the big universal picture.If one accepts the expansion premise - they must accept its reverse as we go backwards. Science 101.
Nonsense 101. There is no scientific evidence for any of this.
Stick to making biblical claims, but don't try to drag science down with you.
Then you're only wrong in one field of study.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 77 of 306 (638514)
10-22-2011 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by IamJoseph
10-22-2011 11:46 PM


Re: life spans
That is fine. Lets hope its not agenda preferred. Yet you disputed the primal relevance of 'names' in archeology, and you failed to respond to a host of links of prominent architects in that regard. We have proof today of 3,500 and 2,800 year ago that Israel and King David, for example, were historical entities solely from stone monument discoveries - only because of names embossed upon them - quoted by prominent archeologists as stunning proof. There was no way these factors would come about from C14 - in fact most archeoligists deemed these are mythical before!
Those "names" don't prove what you suggest they prove. You've been wrong on this on several threads now.
Where is your proof of 200,000 year modern [whatever that means!] man?
Evidence is best kept to another thread. For details, google "Omo."
If there is no scientific evidence for time factor variances in the expansion of the universe, then pray tell what does impact here? What do we measure earthly and cosmic time by? Was there a 24-hour day when our sun was 1 day old?
Most of your comment has no relevance to anything. The sun has provided an approximately 24-hour day for as long as humans have been around, and that's good enough.
But you still have not provided any scientific evidence, as you claimed you could, for significantly longer life spans in the past.
No more rabbit holes. Please either provide scientific evidence for extended life spans or withdraw your claim.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 78 of 306 (638515)
10-23-2011 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by IamJoseph
10-22-2011 11:55 PM


Re: life spans
Your extended quote doesn't support your claims.
We are discussing life spans of humans in historic times. You are claiming humans had vastly extended life spans and I am suggesting that there is no scientific evidence for that claim.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 81 of 306 (638518)
10-23-2011 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by IamJoseph
10-23-2011 12:11 AM


Re: life spans
I see no reason why, for example, we have no NAME pre-Adam for the 196,000 years you propose for modern man: names popped up only by some freak accident to align only with Genesis? It does not tickle your curious funny bone at all as ironic?
No names before writing was developed? Gee, I wonder why not...
Actually, cartouches (names) were developed in Egypt during Dynasty IV, which lasted from ca. 2613 to 2494 BC.
A quick google suggests the bible "is a collection of writings, and the earliest ones were set down nearly 3500 years ago."
But none of this reflects on the extended life spans you are claiming for early humans. Please provide the scientific evidence you said you had to support this claim.
No more off-topic rabbit holes, please.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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