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Panda
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Message 131 of 268 (642550)
11-29-2011 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by designtheorist
11-29-2011 3:42 PM


Re: Reply to Larni
DT writes:

How can you have a 'prior' that is in a different time dimension?
Imagine for a moment that you were in a spacetime dimension in which you could watch colliding branes creating new universes again and again.
Imagination is not an explanation.
Being able to imagine something does not make it logical, true or even possible.

DT writes:

Can you identify which universe came into being first and which one last? Of course.

Of course I can identify which universe came into being first and which one last...in my imagination.
I can also fly in my imagination and make time run backwards.

DT writes:

Do you see now?

No.
You seem to be trying to convince people by saying "Imagine it is true... See, it could be true!".

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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Panda
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From: UK
Joined: 10-04-2010


Message 142 of 268 (642568)
11-29-2011 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by designtheorist
11-29-2011 5:43 PM


Re: Reply to Panda
DT writes:

Some things are logically possible and some are not. For example, sometimes people ask "God can make a rock big enough He can't lift it?" That is logically impossible.

And some people also claim that you can have a 'prior' in a different time dimension.

DT writes:

Larni seemed to think it was logically impossible to have a prior in a different time dimension.

It is.

DT writes:

It is not logically impossible as I demonstrated.

Imagination does not demonstrate anything.
I can imagine that god made a rock too big for him to lift - and yet you claim that is logically impossible.
I can imagine many impossible, illogical things, including a spacetime dimension in which you could watch colliding branes creating new universes again and again.

DT writes:

If you postulate the possibility, as PaulK said he is willing to do, then the problem PaulK is trying to solve with this thread goes away.

Positing illogical impossibilities might make the problem go away for you, but not for me.

Your suggestion that being able to imagine something is evidence of it being a logical possibility is patently false.
Imagination should never be used in a logical argument as it is not bound by logic.

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If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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