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Author Topic:   Biblical Long Term Solution To The Following Diseases
nator
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Message 21 of 111 (280427)
01-20-2006 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-20-2006 6:51 PM


quote:
Aids
Genital Herpes
Syphilis
Gonorrhea
Hepatitis B
Human Herpes Virus 8 (HHV-8)
Biblical Solution = Abstinence from adultery, fornication and sodomy.
Well, since the bible doesn't particularly condemn rape, and rather assumes it will happen and treats it as a fairly minor crime against property insead of a violation of a human being, all of your efforts to keep people from willingly spread STD's will come to naught.
Hey, you've even got the most staunch activist fundamentalist Christian husbands sodomizing their narcoleptic wives.
Sicko.

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Message 23 of 111 (280429)
01-20-2006 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Ben!
01-20-2006 10:02 PM


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What are the medical effects of a lack of sex? Really, we'd need to know that in order to try to predict behavioral changes. And like I said, you need to know behavioral changes to be able to predict how these different diseases will change.
It all seems so implausible, I can't imagine giving any real answer. I don't see how it could be done, so I don't have any idea how it would effect people, let alone entire societies, let alone the balance of societies in the world.
We could do long-term studies of the people in religious orders which are cleibate; i.e. monks, preiests, and nuns.

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Message 48 of 111 (280663)
01-22-2006 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Buzsaw
01-21-2006 7:41 PM


Re: Ben Has It Right
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The culture in some very promiscuous African nations
Buz, the problem in these "very promiscuous Aftican nations" you keep specifying is not really the promiscuity.
The problem with the spread of AIDS and other STD's in these places is due to several factors:
1) There is shameful denial of the scope and gravity of the problem from the highest seats in some of their governments.
2) As such, there is widespread ignorance among the population about the diseases and how they are transmitted. There exists a widespread tragic myth among men in these nations that having sex with a virgin girl will cure AIDS.
3) Strict religious (Christian or Moslem mostly) rules often frown upon the use of condoms, and they are also very difficult to obtain.
4) Oppression of women in these patriarchal and religious cultures make it much more difficult for a woman to refuse a man's sexual advances, let alone inquire about his disease-free status, let alone insist upon a condom, and thus men are infecting women, who in turn infect the babies they give birth to.
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Message 69 of 111 (281372)
01-24-2006 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Buzsaw
01-24-2006 9:06 PM


Re: General Reply
quote:
2. I am thinking that Americans are highly more promiscuous than japanese.
I really, really think you are wrong about that.

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Message 71 of 111 (281375)
01-24-2006 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Buzsaw
01-24-2006 9:34 PM


Re: General Reply
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1. Are you serious? In my 47 years of marriage I've never considered endangering my wife's health and dirtying myself up in her feces when there's the proper and ever so wonderful provision for this activity! YUK!! I'm very confident that the Jewish folks under the Levitical law were above such deviant activity as are most civilized heterosexuals.
Jewish folks under levitical law also had slaves and considered females as property, especially when they were taken as the spoils of war.
These are much more "deviant" activities than anal sex.

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Message 75 of 111 (281466)
01-25-2006 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by crashfrog
01-24-2006 10:16 PM


Re: General Reply
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Sorry, I don't know much more than that. I'd say that, in the country where you can buy used schoolgirl's panties in vending machines (or used to, until they shut them down under violation of the Antiquities Act, of all things), all sexual bets are off.
The thing is, husbands and wives are not considered to be "soulmates" or anything there.
Prostitution is very common in certain districts in Tokyo. Let me tell you how fun it was to walk around there with my husband and his friend a little ways ahead of me and watch hooker after hooker proposition them. They thought it was a hoot.

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Message 78 of 111 (281582)
01-25-2006 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Ben!
01-25-2006 10:27 AM


Re: General Reply
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Look, let's not talk about things we don't know about.
Hey, I'm only repeating what my friend, who has lived in Japan for about 10 years, has told me, and also what his wife, a Japanese woman who has lived in Japan her whole life, has told me.
quote:
There's prostitution in all big cities. Nothing special about Japan there.
But it's different there. It is technically illegal, though rarely enforced or prosecuted. After WW2 the Americans forced them to make it illegal. Nobody considers it seedy or unseemly.
That is VERY different from the American view of prostitution.
quote:
Divorce rates in the US are what, 50%? "Soulmates" is a very ... culturally defined thing. What does it really mean, practically speaking? That people get along well, that their marriage will work out, that the relationship will be more rewarding than any other? I wouldn't say Japanese people don't have these values.
That isn't a soulmate. That's someone who is merely "compatible".
Soulmates are people deeply in love, who are the very best of friends, and want to spend most of their free time together and consider themselves very much connected. I just don't get that to be the basis of a typical marriage in Japan. Women tend to have their friends, and men their work, and they don't really have that very close connection, and it isn't expected from marriage the way it is here these days. Things are changing there, though, as the more rigid social structure is changing. At least, that's according to what my friend Yuko has told me.
quote:
You are talking about a group of people who you know little about in a non-complimentary fashion.
Like I said, I have discussed this with my Japanese friends and people who have lived in Japan for a long time.
quote:
Frankly I think it's a poor way to approach discussion, a bad method for relating to others, and gives the wrong message to anybody who's reading.
I sure am sorry you feel that way.

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Message 83 of 111 (281689)
01-26-2006 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Buzsaw
01-25-2006 11:54 PM


Re: General Reply
quote:
What is so impossible or impractical about abstaining from fornication, adultery or sodomy
How are you going to instantly stop all rape, buz?

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nator
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Message 84 of 111 (281692)
01-26-2006 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Ben!
01-26-2006 2:10 AM


Re: General Reply
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The implication (in my eyes) was that a lack of "soulmates" meant a focus on crazy sexual pleasures, promiscuity, chaos. THAT is what I objected to. Sorry if I read too much into it.
Oh, that's not what I meant at all. Just the opposite, in fact.
quote:
Sorry for taking it out by being a bit aggressive with you. AbE: and thanks for taking it in stride.
No worries!

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Message 98 of 111 (282066)
01-27-2006 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Buzsaw
01-26-2006 11:51 PM


Re: General Reply
quote:
Thanks for trying, my friend, but given the rape offense was also punishable by death,
Not in many cases:
Lev 19:20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.
Deut 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
So, you see that under biblical rules, men can rape women though sometimes they are killed for doing so, sometimes they actually are compelled to marry their victim.

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