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Modulous Member (Idle past 235 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Who believes that they can run a mile in under a second? Someone operating under the delusion they are superman/The Flash?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1754 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
It has been my experience that the power of belief allows me to dare. The power of belief allows me to be surprised at what I am capable of accomplishing. When you are at the absolute bottom of your perceived physical strength or endurance, a bit of positive thinking and belief in oneself can bring about a positive outcome.
Someone once said, "why does the bumblebee fly?" "Because he believes he can, and no one told him he couldn't." "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1754 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
That would be Sheldon on the show "Big Bang".
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Dogmafood Member Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
When you are at the absolute bottom of your perceived physical strength or endurance, a bit of positive thinking and belief in oneself can bring about a positive outcome. When I was a wee lad of 14 I was sent off to a boarding school that had a rigorous outdoor program. We snow shoed between 10 and 16 miles every Saturday during the winter. At the end of the season there was a 24 mile race between all the teams. I guess the idea was to bring you up to the end of your endurance and then demand that you go a little further. The dynamic of the team structure really worked well at dissuading you from giving up, which you could do if you had to but then the whole team forfeited. I thought it was rather barbaric and bordered on abuse (froze both ears and nearly lost a toe) but it sure exposed a reserve that I didn't know that I had. There is also hysterical strength. An adrenaline boost triggered by fear that will enable someone to exert more force than they would otherwise be capable of. A sort of turbo charger when death is imminent. Usually causes a lot of damage though.
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Dogmafood Member Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
I agree that certain models of reality are more pleasant to believe than others. I could have a model of reality where I believe all humans are trustworthy and honourable. Remember Victor Hugo's fictional character Jean Valjean and the impact that Bishop Myriel’s compassion and belief in his capacity to be a good person had on him?
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Modulous Member (Idle past 235 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Remember Victor Hugo's fictional character Jean Valjean and the impact that Bishop Myriel’s compassion and belief in his capacity to be a good person had on him? No, but I can picture such a thing.
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ringo Member (Idle past 662 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dogmafood writes:
That would be the power to infect others with confidence, again.
Remember Victor Hugo's fictional character Jean Valjean and the impact that Bishop Myriel’s compassion and belief in his capacity to be a good person had on him?
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Dogmafood Member Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
That would be the power to infect others with confidence, again. So belief has a cumulative quality sort of like gravity or has the potential to go viral. For many, the accuracy of the belief does not seem to be as important as the appeal of the belief. In fact the power of belief may be illuminated to a greater degree by false beliefs or unfalsifiable beliefs. Just look at what the power of belief has done for the Catholic church or religion in general and it's adherents. I find myself more and more hesitant to attack the religious beliefs of others. It seems cruel to destroy something that obviously brings them some comfort. I speak up when they try to foist them on me or my children but I wonder what purpose it serves to disabuse them of a belief that seems to serve them well.
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Phat Member Posts: 18633 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Dogmafood writes: For me, this gets back to my belief in a Higher Power. How would you define the extent of your ability to effect the nature of your reality simply by adjusting your opinion of it? First, I affirm that IF a Higher Power(God) exists, He, She, or It exists regardless of my beliefs, and so too the contrary. IF God didnt exist, no amount of wishing, chanting, or praying could make Him so. Believing in a friendly, helpful God is comforting to me. Scriptures reaffirm this comfort. (Phil 4:19 ESV--And my God will supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus.) It causes me discomfort when people show evidence that the Bible is any less than inspired. I take comfort, however, in the idea that I can imagine (at least partially) A loving and favorable God and that others also testify of Him. To suggest that this is all fantasy makes me very uncomfortable.
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ringo Member (Idle past 662 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dogmafood writes:
I'm becoming convinced that that's true of creationism. It's a club where they can feel superior without knowing anything.
For many, the accuracy of the belief does not seem to be as important as the appeal of the belief. In fact the power of belief may be illuminated to a greater degree by false beliefs or unfalsifiable beliefs. Dogmafood writes:
Some of them enjoy it when you try.
It seems cruel to destroy something that obviously brings them some comfort.
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Phat Member Posts: 18633 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Ringo writes: I think that first off, we all need to humble ourselves when discussing belief in a concept(or Being) greater than ourselves. Believers need to set aside their absolute convictions(and wishes) and educated folks need to behave as though talking to children and not learned(or unlearned) adults. (Creationism)...It's a club where they can feel superior without knowing anything. What is the main difference between knowing something to be true as opposed to merely believing it to be true? Is it dishonest intellectually for one to claim that they KNOW that what they believe to be true is, in fact, true?
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ringo Member (Idle past 662 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
A propos to the topic, a major difference is testing. No matter how strongly you believe you can jump the Mississippi, you'd be well advised to test your ability on a smaller body of water first. Once you know you can jump twenty feet, you might be justified in believing you can jump thirty, and so on. What is the main difference between knowing something to be true as opposed to merely believing it to be true? If you believe God is a creationist, that's fine but if you think you know God is a creationist, you'd better have some test results to back you up.
Phat writes:
Only if you know the difference between knowledge and belief.
Is it dishonest intellectually for one to claim that they KNOW that what they believe to be true is, in fact, true?
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Dogmafood Member Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
Phat writes: I take comfort, however, in the idea that I can imagine (at least partially) A loving and favorable God and that others also testify of Him. To suggest that this is all fantasy makes me very uncomfortable. This is exactly one of the elements that I wanted to explore. Your belief, regardless of it's accuracy, brings you some comfort. For many that same belief is the cornerstone of their existence. Their entire world view is informed by it. They can overcome hardship or they can accomplish great things because of it. If holding such a belief allows someone to achieve these things what does it matter if the belief is right or wrong?
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ringo Member (Idle past 662 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dogmafood writes:
Snake handlers believe that God will protect them. If they survive, God did it. If they die, it's because their faith wasn't strong enough. That's hardly what I'd call a constructive belief.
If holding such a belief allows someone to achieve these things what does it matter if the belief is right or wrong?
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Dogmafood Member Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
That's hardly what I'd call a constructive belief. True enough. Knowledge is more powerful and useful and reliable than belief. I am looking at those cases when, in the absence of knowledge, your chosen belief is the most important factor. As with a belief in an afterlife. I appreciate that it is a slippery slope.
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