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Message 12 of 236 (668535)
07-22-2012 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by onifre
07-22-2012 2:10 PM


Re: Death penalty
Me. Far too expensive and solves nothing.

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Message 20 of 236 (668581)
07-22-2012 9:20 PM
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07-22-2012 9:10 PM


Re: Death penalty
Inmates are individuals. It is still cheaper to house the Death Row inmate for life than to go through the expenses involved in an execution.
Maybe that's why you decided not to become a mathematician; good decision.

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Message 24 of 236 (668586)
07-22-2012 9:44 PM
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07-22-2012 9:32 PM


Re: Death penalty
I think the fact that life imprisonment is cheaper than our execution process is a valid reason to do away with the death penalty even if there were not other moral and practical considerations.

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Message 35 of 236 (668636)
07-23-2012 11:47 AM
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07-23-2012 11:41 AM


Re: Death penalty
HUH?
As I said the cost was just one factor but cost, particularly tax dollars, are a fact of life. The question to ask yourself is whether the extra cost of vengeance is where you really want to spend your money and if so, why?

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Message 38 of 236 (668639)
07-23-2012 11:54 AM
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07-23-2012 11:52 AM


Re: Death penalty
Punishment is not really an issue, both imprisonment and execution are punishment.

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Message 51 of 236 (668674)
07-23-2012 5:36 PM
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07-23-2012 4:41 PM


Re: Gun control question
An AR-15 rifle that someone can buy in the USA without special licensing is still a semi-automatic rifle and not an assault weapon. For each shot you need to pull the trigger, there is no automatic or even three shot burst mode.
The media is as usual simply showing its ignorance by calling it an assault rifle.

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Message 61 of 236 (668685)
07-23-2012 6:28 PM
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07-23-2012 6:05 PM


Re: Gun control question
Well, I don't have an AR-15 but do have quite a few rifles and handguns including one that has a bayonet and grenade launcher, yet even though thousands of rounds have gone through them and downrange I have yet to even wound another human. I have suffered Garand Thumb though.

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Message 73 of 236 (668698)
07-23-2012 6:56 PM
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07-23-2012 6:50 PM


Re: Gun control question
Is hunting so important to you that you are OKAY with all of your fellow citizens being able to arm themselves to the teeth, and then consume massive amounts of alcohol at 3am?
Kinda okay with that.
As you say that is not a good combination and I'd certainly favor a "Carrying while intoxicated" law similar to "Driving while intoxicated" laws.
BUT... even the drunk with a semi-automatic rifle or handgun is far less a risk than the drunk with a car.
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Message 114 of 236 (668741)
07-23-2012 8:42 PM
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07-23-2012 8:32 PM


Re: Gun control question
Do you think he could have put out over 100 rds within a few minutes and killed 12 and wounded over 70 people with a manual handgun alone?
Certainly, I could even with an old S&W 19.

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Message 124 of 236 (668754)
07-23-2012 9:18 PM
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07-23-2012 9:07 PM


Re: Gun control question
I used to shoot competitively and was pretty fair (certainly not great), but what you describe is not anything unusual. Even with an old wheel gun using moon clips or speed loaders getting off several hundred rounds would take probably far less time than you mentioned.
As I said, even today as old as I am and much much slower than I used to be I would not doubt that I could do that.

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Message 134 of 236 (668777)
07-24-2012 11:59 AM
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07-24-2012 11:41 AM


Re: Gun control question
It is easier for me to go down and buy a highly lethal assault rifle and 6000 rds of ammo than to buy over-the counter drugs.
I really doubt that. An AR-15 is not an "assault rifle". Even the AK-47 that you can buy without getting a special license is not an "assault rifle".
Exactly which over the counter drugs require a complete criminal background check, buying a Tax Stamp for each weapon and submitting a current set of fingerprints?

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Message 164 of 236 (668820)
07-24-2012 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Huntard
07-24-2012 3:49 PM


Re: Gun control question
Why Americans do kill each other in such a fashion, I have no idea.
And that is a very valid question.
When I was growing up family I knew had guns, there was a gun rack in the den or the shot gun by the back door, most any pick up had a gun rack with a loaded carbine and usually the doors unlocked and the windows rolled down as it sat parked on the street. Guns were ubiquitous. But there were very few shooting and almost no accidental shootings and no guns stolen and kids were taught firearms safety and yes, this was in suburbia and the city, not out on the farm.
When I was little, likely third grade or so, I took my Dad's Colt 45 Slabside to school for show-n-tell and gave a talk about handgun safety. The teacher passed the gun around so all the kids could see how heavy it was and nobody pointed it at another kid and the teacher quizzed everyone on the basics of gun safety. In fact, the teacher was so impressed that I got to give the show-n-tell to other classes that day.
But the gun was really heavy and so I asked the teacher if she could keep it until after school.
All that was a half century or so ago now but still within my lifetime.
As a culture the US has changed. The weapons themselves haven't changed all that much (you could still mail-order a Thompson fully automatic submachine gun then) but education and responsibility have. August 1, 1966 was a watershed day in the issue and it was not a matter of automatic weapons or AR-15s.

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Message 220 of 236 (669093)
07-26-2012 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Dr Adequate
07-26-2012 8:33 PM


Re: Gun control question
Similarly, this gun, although it is not a pistol, has a pistol grip:
This is my rifle, this is my gun; one is for fighting, one is for fun.
This rifle, although it is not a pistol, has a pistol grip.

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Message 223 of 236 (669100)
07-26-2012 9:54 PM
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07-26-2012 9:33 PM


only marginally related content
An aside but of interest maybe.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

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