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Nice pictures. so you believe those Bolivians found a completely intact dinosaur skeleton and created a statue? Like I said, I guess that's possible that those primitive people could recreate an accurate statue from some bones. Good point!

Percy for the record I cannot prove a global flood. The best I can do is state that there were a number of factors that 'could have' contributed to a flood at the P-T boundary. And there is evidence then of a marine transgression and also rapid worldwide sedimentation occurring at various sites across earth at the P-T boundary
extensive late Permian flooding in Africa and Russia:
http://golubeff.narod.ru/...Triassic_Russia_stratigraphy.pdf
Also page 2 of the book African Basins by Richard Selley describes extensive sand and lacustrine mud being deposited during the late Permian.
There is a general worldwide trend of large-scale end-Permian sedimentation followed by the desert conditions and fine grained aeolian sands of the early Triassic.So I am not saying I have proof of the biblical flood, just evidence of favorable flood conditions, and evidence of widespread flooding at that time.The reason I joined this thread is not to prove the flood, but just out of curiousity if my theory can be disproved. A lack of contrary evidence strengthens a theory. Can you disprove a global flood at the P-T boundary?Edited by mindspawn, : Getting a reference

Well said Jonf, and so if ark animals are showing more than 14 alleles then either evolution is rapid, or there's no bottleneck as there should be.If 14 or less alleles then we have a bottleneck.Edited by mindspawn, : No reason given.

"Actually, all of them. Every single scientific theory stands "just because no one disproved it". That is the best thing that one can say about a scientific theory."thanks for stating this. exactly, I'm not asking you to believe in a global flood, just asking if you can disprove it at the PT-boundary, that's all.there are many arguments against the current flood model, I am asking if you have any against the PT boundary flood model.

I'm interested, tell me more how it is or was disproven?

By looking at the geology. For example the current flood model would have to explain why there are various layers of land formed basalt in the flood layers. Would have to explain isotopic changes between early layers and later layers reflecting differing atmospheres in early so-called flood layers compared to later so-called flood layers. There are many ways to attack a theory. The burden of proof is on the one who says a global flood is impossible at any given point to back up their position.

The sphinx was built a few hundred years after the flood. The Old Kingdom of Egypt was biblically soon after the world's population spread from the Sumeria/Babylon region.

"Can you name any scientific theory that became accepted just because no one disproved it? Hint: this is a rhetorical question."Rhetorical question or not, as Dr A pointed out, this is the nature of all scientific theories. If you cant disprove it, it stands as a valid possibility.I thought it was common knowledge that there was a marine transgression at the PT boundary:
http://work.geobiology.cn/...iscussion%20and%20proposals.pdf
(you see how this guy defines the boundary as "boundary clay", saying this was when the Permian/triassic transition occurred. And he also refers to the marine transgression and then the major regression as the special feature of the PT-boundary - inflows and then rapid outflows)That loss of vegetation and sedimentary overfill situation occurred across the earth. the earth changed from cold and wet to hot and dry with the same changes to sedimentary patterns occurring across earth at the PT boundary
https://gsa.confex.com/...M/finalprogram/abstract_194904.htm

that's right, I haven't perfectly interlinked the timeframes, but it appears the demise of the dinosaurs (end-Jurassic) occurred at the same time as the demise of those early old civilizations (Egypt-Old kingdom)

There are bones, heavily mineralised, but bones nevertheless. They do not need long time frames to mineralise. You see, if they weren't exposed to that fast mineralisation process very quickly, they would hardly ever survive. So these fossils very existence is proof that bones can become rock quickly, if they didnt they wouldnt exist.Dinosaur bones: just how old are they really - creation.com
Sensational dinosaur blood report! - creation.comRegarding co-existing, dinosaurs were prevalent in the dryer regions and were the dominant species, but mammals were among them. According to the bible lifespans were huge back then, Noah being the oldest person on earth only died 300 years after the flood. Thus there would only ever be a few humans dying concurrent with dinosaurs, but to find them together virtually impossible due to variation in habitat and human burial habits.Only after the dinosaurs largely died out did the large mammals proliferate, filling the ecological gaps left by the dinosaurs. That is why many species of small mammals and no species of large animals are find concurrent with dinosaurs.Edited by mindspawn, : No reason given.Edited by mindspawn, : Correcting Noah's age

NoNukes, you ask about fossils before the flood. If you see a map of the carboniferous, you will see that its manily the equatorial areas that show the "swampy" carboniferous coal deposits. There is little motivation to dig deep down to the carboniferous layers, the main reason for such widespread digging is to find coal. In this coal you will find swamp fossils, fauna flora suited to those pre-flood times, and suitable for wetlands. Unfortunately the digs have not focussed on those non-equatorial regions that were not swamplands. It is here in unique and isolated environments that you would have had mammals concurrent with carboniferous fauna, but in completely different isolated environments. Much like Komodo dragons are the last surviving large land-based reptile and are extremely isolated, the ancestors of modern mammals could have held the same position close to creation. Isolated. Rare.Human cities as well. Pre-flood human cities that were not completely wiped out in the flood could be sitting in non-equatorial regions. If you look at maps of the earth at that time , its likely that the most suitable weather for humans and other mammals was in the far north at that time, now deep under the Siberian basalt.Regarding dinosaur fossils, you seem to have missed my point. bones do not survive for long, if they are fossilized this has to be a fast process or the bones will not survive. The logic is pretty clear. Therefore rocks can form quickly, and have to form quickly according to the evidence of fossils existing. Therefore the allegation that rocks have to form slowly is incorrect, they have to form quickly to preserve the fossil record.

Percy, you seem to disregard the evidence I showed of a major marine transgression, and major worldwide flooding in flood plains at the PT boundary. Both occurred. I don't know why you are focussed on marine transgressions I was also referring to floodplains all around the world showing overfill and loss of vegetation and excessive flooding at that time. Knowing that these wide-floodplains were the dominant feature of earth's terrain at that time, already points to a world wide flood.Let me repeat myself clearly for you, the evidence shows a large marine transgression and additionally worldwide flooding of floodplains. the flooding of floodplains can be seen in this link :
https://gsa.confex.com/...M/finalprogram/abstract_194904.htmearlier when I quoted this link I was not referring to a marine transgression, but I was referring to worldwide flooding. Edited by mindspawn, : clarifying

Why don't you look at a map of the landmass shape and size and read up on the conditions during the Carboniferous before you swear at me. Siberia was in a better position during the carboniferous than now, more suitable for non-swamp habitation. And that region did not have extensive swamps. Its illogical to keep looking at the fossils in carboniferous coal (swamp environment forms peat) and assume those were the only fauna flora around. That logic is actually laughable. Just because fossils fossilize easily in swamps, does not mean they were the only animals around. Hope you can see that point Edited by mindspawn, : No reason given.

"No one here is saying that a global flood is impossible in principle. What we are saying is that the evidence does not support a recent global flood. Those are two different things."Let's forget "recent" because we have different time frames. I have put forward evidence , not proof, but some evidence for widespread flooding at the PT boundary in my posts to Percy. There was a marine transgression and worldwide flooding in the flood-plains at the PT boundary. There is additional evidence for the mechanism as well as the occurrence of this flooding. The mechanism is :
1) volcanic induced rainfall. volcanoes often produce torrential downpours. The Siberian traps were the most powerful volcanic activity the earth has ever known
2) Magnetic reversal. Any exposure to more solar activity /cosmic rays causes seeding of the air , increasing rainfalls
3) Ice caps melted, glaciation melted, presumably from the Siberian trapsSo we had the mechanism for flooding, and the evidence for flooding.

Taq, I think you should read that link in my post to Percy. This was not standard flooding in floodplains. From a steady sedimentation, these floodplains all around the world showed a sudden sedimentary overfill situation, and stripped vegetation. A burst of sedimentation covered floodplains in every continent at the same time. Additionally one of the proposed means of defining the PT boundary is the "boundary clay found across earth" at that time.http://work.geobiology.cn/...iscussion%20and%20proposals.pdf