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Rahvin
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Message 31 of 45 (679155)
11-12-2012 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dogmafood
11-09-2012 12:07 AM


What is the best that you can expect to get from or achieve with your life?
Now that I have married and procreated and trying to get laid doesn't occupy my every waking moment, it occurs to me that there isn't much of a point to it at all. The only one that makes any sense to me is the pursuit of the answer to this very question.
What is your answer to the absurdity of life? What guides your compass and where do you spend your time?
There is no "point" to life...except what we choose for ourselves. The "meaning if life" is only one of the "great questions" because it has no set answer. The "point" changes over time, for each of us.
It sounds like your great philosophical dilemma is rooted in the fact that you have achieved that which was most important to you: you have a family. In effect, you "beat the game" and now you don't know what to do.
But nobody can tell you what the meaning of your life is or will be. You can only decide for yourself what makes you feel fulfilled.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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Message 33 of 45 (679175)
11-12-2012 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by GDR
11-12-2012 7:31 PM


I suppose that the atheistic POV would be that there is no ultimate meaning and that what matters is essentially the here and now and the impact that might have on the near future. I'd be interested to know if you atheists would agree with that.
Don't restrict it to the "near" future, but essentially, yes.
What we do matters because our actions affect other people, both our contemporaries and our descendants.
More, this is the only life we have - we don't get some magic reset button for a new life after death. We can't wait for heaven, because it will never come. The world is how we choose to make it, collectively, and whether we make it a paradise or a hell is up to all of us.
To make a movie reference: "God doesn't make the world this way. We do."
There's no metaphysical reason for anything...but people have value, and improving the lives of people is a worthy goal without the empty promise of heaven.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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Message 35 of 45 (679182)
11-12-2012 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by GDR
11-12-2012 7:52 PM


OK but from a Christian perspective I don't understand the goal to be heaven. I agree with your goal but I believe that your goal in life in some way is a foreshadowing of, and a part of, a renewal of this world as opposed to leaving this world behind for some spiritual existence elsewhere whatever that might mean.
Many Christians have many goals...in the end, we all determine the meaning of our own lives, even when that means choosing from among religious interpretations. For some, heaven is a significant factor, and for others it is not.
I emphasized heaven only in pointing out that I feel that an atheistic perspective with no afterlife provides a firmer foundation for working to improve the world - it's not okay to just give up and hope the afterlife will be better, because this is all we have.
And frankly, I don't care what metaphysical belief you attach to what I think is important in life (clearly I disagree) - but I'm always happy when others agree that improving this world is a worthy goal, and I think that's far more significant than whatever else we use to dress it up.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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