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Author Topic:   Isaiah 53 speaks about ISRAEL, and not about the messiah.
Davidjay 
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Message 136 of 169 (808771)
05-12-2017 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by New Cat's Eye
05-12-2017 10:04 AM


Re: NoNukes are you saying God is a racist ?
Cats Eye, NO you are intentionally trying to misrepresent me... intentionally to try and accuse the Lord as inconsistent.

The Lord is always consistent and always has the same values, Choice and Equality,, which leads to fairness and justice. He is the Righteous Judge which is why He is able to judge you according to your heart and actions BOTH. ha as well as your words.

So then, according to you, the Bible contradicts itself.

It says that Israelites are God's chosen people, and you also interpret it to say that everyone is equal and no group is chosen.

So which part of the Bible is wrong? The part about Israel being chosen, or your interpretation that none are chosen?

No, the Lorfd had to start with some one... Adam and a lineage to show that lineage is not the determining factor. Grouping together never helped anyone aget salvation and blessings. It has always been according to their choices.

Moses kept saying, If anyone, or as Joshua said.

Choose you this day, whom you will follow either the Lord or *****

Its always been choice, and the mixed multitude out of Egypt had to continually choose if they were going to follow, and so many died in the wilderness or got swallowed up by the Earth when they choose poorly, when they rebelled against Moses, when they accused Moses, when they had no FAITH to move forward. These half hearts and whimps made Moses spend 40 years in the wilderness when the trip only took 40 days. They were gutless disobedient, and faithless. They had to die out before a new generation of faith and courage rose up and choose the Lord individually.

Dont you know this Cats Eye,

haven;t you ever trusted the Lord and chosen the Lord personally ? I would assume not when you try and accuse the Lord and the Bible of being inconsistent.

No the Lord has always been about personal choice, as Cain choose to kill his brother Abel. Some choose wisely and via love, some choose poorly as you have done and have tried to accuse the Lord and His words.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 137 of 169 (808796)
05-13-2017 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Davidjay
05-12-2017 7:19 PM


Re: NoNukes are you saying God is a racist ?
I want to remind everyone about the Forum Guidelines

Message 284

This discussion board is not about winning or losing. It is about a rational discussion on the issues that we each find fascinating. We like your looniness Davidjay. Truly you are one of the Lords "peculiar people" and you add a spark to our discussion site.

I simply request that you tone down the personal attacks.

Edited by AdminPhat, : spelling


  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
  • Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
  • The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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    Message 138 of 169 (808798)
    05-13-2017 8:29 AM
    Reply to: Message 137 by AdminPhat
    05-13-2017 8:17 AM


    Re: Israel is Jacob once he learned humility and love
    Yes, I wish they would tone down their attacks on me, and stop calling me loony, and a charlatan and a liar.

    I wish they would attack racism and inequality and war industries and war economies. I wish they would stick to the topics and focus in on beneficial morals and beneficial truths rather than their pet non existant mythical benefical mutations. But its hard for them to change, besides the discussion board is mainly for READERS rather than just the particpants.

    In this thread, I am explaining from different angles why the worldly nation of Israel, like almost every nationality or nation is NOT in Isiaah 53, but its about the Messiah (Jesus) and about His people who believe in live out equality and love and sharing.

    Let the discussions go on, as Isaiah 53 is NOT about the worldly nation of Israel, or the nation that calls itself Israel.

    Israel was a person, he was Jacob who learned not to trick his brethren, through the bad experiences afterwards that the Lord made him go through until he learned.

    Israel learned not to trick and deceive and not to be a counterfeit and think he could steal birth rights through deception and words. Israel learned humility and honesty. Israel learned it as an individual. THIS IS ISRAEL


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    The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

    .


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    NoNukes
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    Message 139 of 169 (808836)
    05-13-2017 2:33 PM
    Reply to: Message 135 by Diomedes
    05-12-2017 2:57 PM


    Re: Israel is not special
    What Davidjay needs:

    - A spell checker
    - A remedial math course
    - A functioning cerebral cortex
    - An intervention

    - A new place to practice his hobby...


    Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

    History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

    I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

    Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

    Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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    NoNukes
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    Message 140 of 169 (808838)
    05-13-2017 2:57 PM
    Reply to: Message 134 by Son Goku
    05-12-2017 2:32 PM


    Re: Israel is not special
    I mean I gave you a passage where Moses directly states that Yahweh thinks they are his treasure. What more do you need.

    I cited the same passage as well as others. Davidjay won't directly address that text from the Bible.


    Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

    History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

    I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

    Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

    Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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    Davidjay 
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    Message 141 of 169 (808874)
    05-14-2017 10:07 AM
    Reply to: Message 140 by NoNukes
    05-13-2017 2:57 PM


    Re: Israel is not special
    My weak opposition that disagrees with me, that God is not a racist and God doesd not have favorites and does not have a superior chosen group of groupies or chosen people... have no legs to stand on.

    Their stance or opinion or belief system is pro superior race and causes endless wars and fights and battles.

    They try to say that God favors bloodlines and where one is born, and which group one is born into to.

    As mentioned this is anti-Bible and anti-love and anti- peace, yet they infer ..the Bible is anti-peace, and anti-love and equality.

    Which again proves that people will twist the bible to suit their own aims and desires, no matter how twisted the conclusion gets, just to support their favored selection as the best.

    They dont fight for equality, they fight for their inequality which means their supposed superiority.

    The Lord is just and fiar, and has NO FAVORITES.

    Equality wins, love wins, Jesus has won.

    Moses had a mixed multitude which failed miserably in the wilderness because they choose individually not to choose the Messiah's leadership and the Messiahs WORDS.

    Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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    The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

    .


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    Message 142 of 169 (808875)
    05-14-2017 10:12 AM
    Reply to: Message 141 by Davidjay
    05-14-2017 10:07 AM


    Re: Israel is rebellious
    Direct exact words of the Lord of Lords......

    Moses Informed of Israel's Sin
    8"They have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them. They have made for themselves a molten calf, and have worshiped it and have sacrificed to it and said, 'This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt!'" 9The LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people. 10"Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation."
    New American Standard Bible
    Cross References
    Acts 7:51
    You stiff-necked people with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit, just as your fathers did.

    Exodus 33:3
    "Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey; for I will not go up in your midst, because you are an obstinate people, and I might destroy you on the way."

    These Israelis were not His chosen people, they were unbelievers and rebellious....... true people of the Lord choose the Lord and follow the Lord and know the LORD. They dont fight the Lord and fight for their special priviledges of themselves above others.

    Jesus wins, love wins

    Follow the Lord


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    The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

    .


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    Message 143 of 169 (808914)
    05-14-2017 9:08 PM
    Reply to: Message 136 by Davidjay
    05-12-2017 7:19 PM


    Re: NoNukes are you saying God is a racist ?
    Cats Eye, NO you are intentionally trying to misrepresent me... intentionally to try and accuse the Lord as inconsistent.

    Neither of those statements are true, though.

    I'm just dealing with the ramifications of your claims, and I'm accusing you of having an inconsistent interpretation.

    On top of that, you don't speak for the Lord.

    The Lord is always consistent and always has the same values, Choice and Equality,

    Then explain The Flood. According to the Bible, He Flooded the whole planet and killed everything because He regretted His creation. So something about Him changed, and therefore you're wrong to say that he's always consistent.

    Or what about Dinosaurs!? He made this whole big planet and filled it with giant dinosaurs, and then was all: "nah man, I'mma try humans instead"

    So then, according to you, the Bible contradicts itself.

    It says that Israelites are God's chosen people, and you also interpret it to say that everyone is equal and no group is chosen.

    So which part of the Bible is wrong? The part about Israel being chosen, or your interpretation that none are chosen?

    No, the Lorfd had to start with some one... Adam and a lineage to show that lineage is not the determining factor. Grouping together never helped anyone aget salvation and blessings. It has always been according to their choices.

    Moses kept saying, If anyone, or as Joshua said.

    Choose you this day, whom you will follow either the Lord or *****

    Its always been choice, and

    Yeah, yeah, yeah... you're just preaching. Answer the question, which is it:

    Are the jews God's chosen people like the Bible says, or are there no chosen people like you say? Which one is wrong: you or the Bible?

    'Cause you can't really "choose" to be a jew...

    No, the Lorfd (really?) had to start with some one... Adam and a lineage to show that lineage is not the determining factor.

    The character Adam in the book of Genesis wasn't a real person that actually existed in a garden on Earth...

    the mixed multitude out of Egypt had to continually choose if they were going to follow, and so many died in the wilderness or got swallowed up by the Earth when they choose poorly, when they rebelled against Moses, when they accused Moses, when they had no FAITH to move forward.

    I have no idea what you are talking about. This is where you are making the Bible not be some literal story that contains some fairly face-value truth, but rather some secret message that you have the decoder for. That's you acting like a charlatan.

    I'll say "acting like" so as to not make an actual accusation against you, but the way you are acting is the way a charlatan would act.

    Dont you know this Cats Eye,

    haven;t you ever trusted the Lord and chosen the Lord personally ?

    Well that's none of your fucking business, now is it guy? Nor is it pertinent to the argument, and is completely irrelevant, no?

    But I'll have you know that I have met God.

    No the Lord has always been about personal choice,

    Why do some children get cancer, if everything is the Lord's work? Where the personal choice in that?


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    Message 144 of 169 (808959)
    05-15-2017 8:53 AM
    Reply to: Message 143 by New Cat's Eye
    05-14-2017 9:08 PM


    Re:""" Well that's none of your fucking business,
    Well that's none of your fucking business, now is it guy? Nor is it pertinent to the argument, and is completely irrelevant, no?

    But I'll have you know that I have met God.

    Do get under control Cats eye, and leave your fucking...... terminology out of this discussion.

    If you have met God, then show some class, and as a poster do follow the rules HEREIN.

    Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


    .
    The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

    .


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    New Cat's Eye
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    Message 145 of 169 (808963)
    05-15-2017 9:21 AM
    Reply to: Message 144 by Davidjay
    05-15-2017 8:53 AM


    Re: Re:""" Well that's none of your fucking business,
    Do get under control Cats eye,

    This is me having it under control, deal with it.

    and leave your fucking...... terminology out of this discussion.

    No, fuck you. I'll type whatever the fuck I want.

    If you have met God, then show some class, and as a poster do follow the rules HEREIN.

    Kiss my ass. Class... Ha! You're a blatant liar!

    But I see that I won this argument and that you cannot respond to my refutations of your argument.

    So the Book of Isaiah does speak about Israel and according to the Bible the jews are God's chosen people. It turns out that you just don't know what you are talking about and are just making up stupid bullshit.

    But we all knew that already.


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    Message 146 of 169 (808965)
    05-15-2017 9:30 AM
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    05-15-2017 9:21 AM


    Cats eye writes 'No, fuck you. I'll type whatever the fuck I want.
    Cats eye, you really have to get under control, your anger is overwhelming you..

    You wrote again

    No, fuck you. I'll type whatever the fuck I want.

    Even your fellow evolutionary theorists might consider your remarks 'out of line' or against civility or disgusting.

    Debaters have to choose their words wisely rather just trust that because they seemingly are in a majority opinion, they can write 'whatever the fuck I want.'

    Show some restraint and some class.

    Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


    .
    The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

    .


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    New Cat's Eye
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    Message 147 of 169 (808978)
    05-15-2017 10:07 AM
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    05-15-2017 9:30 AM


    Show some restraint and some class.

    No.

    .|..^.^..|.

    Edited by New Cat's Eye, : No reason given.


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    Message 148 of 169 (809718)
    05-20-2017 12:10 PM


    Be very wary of any preacher that relates to poltics, or any politician that tries to connect with religion. Both are dangerous and totally devoid.

    Church and State are supposed to be separate and should be.

    Never ever have a political opinion and mix in your religious belief system to it to supposedly justify it. Its a con.

    As an individual you better be unaligned politically. Dont be conned into LEFT versus Right thinking, making the other side the enemy, ready for a civil war between the two of you.

    Never think religion is a dividing line, where you automatically hate the other religion. Always stay individual in discernment and do not become a groupie, in order t elevate your lowly self esteem. It doesnt work, only you and your choices concerning love and life matter. Stick to them, know them and live them out.

    ********************

    If you don't hate this present world, then you probably aren't truly a Christian. If you are accepted by it and a success in it, then
    you probably aren't one of the Lord's sheep. If you don't see how absolutely unfair the world's judgmennt is, then you probably
    aren't looking for the Lord's justice. If you aren't appalled by the governments of this world and their wars then you probably
    aren't a citizen of the Lord's heavenlu kingdom.

    For Jesus wasn't exaggerrating when He said...If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of
    the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.(John 15: 19) So the Lord tells us that if we are
    His, we won't be connected to this world and its systems. They won't love us, but hate us literally and persecute us no end.

    (John 15:20) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they
    will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. So if we aren't persceuted then we probably aren't
    the Lord's or aren't doing his work. And if they aren't calling us rebels and devils, then we probably aren't following the Lord
    and aren't real Christians.

    Why because .... (Mathew 10: 25) If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of
    his household ? For remember they called Jesus, a devil, so if we follow Him, sometime, some place in the future we can expect
    to be called devils as well .... for it is written and it will happen to us, even if it hasn;t happenned yet. For it's a promise of the
    LORD just like all his other promises, it has to happen to us if we follow the Lord. We won't be called 'good sweet loving
    Christians' but just the opposite. (SEE We shall be called devils )

    Therefore if we love the world, and are accepted by the world and see nothing wrong with the world, then in truth we must not be
    of the Lord but of the world. And then the Lord can't deliever us out of the world spiritually or physically because we are
    attached to it, aligned to it and dedicated to it.

    But if we love the Lord's word, it separates us from the world ...

    John 17:14
    I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated
    them, because they are not of the world, even as I am
    not of the world.

    Jhn 17:15
    I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the
    world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

    Jhn 17:16
    They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

    Please don't love the world ...... I am more convinced than ever that the Lord's people are cast offs and rejects and not nice little
    sweet, nothing ever happens to them types. The Lord's people have emotions and have had experiences, whether good and bad,
    they have faced evil before and know what it is and hate it with all their strength. They hate hypocracy and have learned
    courage and bravery and are NOT whimps. They may be in jail, they may be in groups fighting for different causes, they may be
    recluses in communes, they may be even be in mental hospitals, but they aren't usually normal church, synagogue, mosque types.

    They are real people that just want freedom for them and others and are willing to pay the price. They have guts and will do what
    has to do done. They aren't word manipulators and on-line scribes and pharisees, but honest to goodness brethren that have heart
    and soul for others and have been through the trials and tribulations and pain and sorrow so that they appreciate freedom and
    LOVE. They are willing to forsake their lives for Jesus, and willing to lay down their lives for others.

    They are few, very, very few but they are out there. And they will humble us no end by their actions and sincerity and love, but it
    is our job to find them where ever they are and give them the Lord's words. Most surely already hate the world, they don't have to
    be taught that, they already have experienced its vile, and want no part of this world's evil systems. The Lord's children are NOT
    part of this world, they hate it.

    Let's pray we don't love this present world !!

    David Jay Jordan


    Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
    They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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    Message 149 of 169 (809719)
    05-20-2017 12:13 PM
    Reply to: Message 148 by Davidjay
    05-20-2017 12:10 PM


    Worldly Israel is not a blessed protected sacrosanct nation before the Lord. Thats a con, thats untrue and causes no end of trouble but just aligns sides into war and more war.

    All individuals are equal before their Creator, no one has special status. Bloodlines mean nothing, its only the cards we have been dealt.

    Choose love not hate, choose unaligned rather than politically aligned..

    Choose peace and not war


    Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
    They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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    Message 150 of 169 (810317)
    05-27-2017 7:25 PM
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    05-20-2017 12:13 PM


    Jacob was a 'trickster'
    As a bible lesson, you really need to study the life of Jacob, the trickster.

    He was lazy and therefore became a trickster, trying to trick his way into blessings...and being the chosen one. He tricked his father into blessing him rather than blessing his brother Esau.

    Jacob was a trickster, a liar, a deceiver...he didn;t come by the blessings honourably but by tricking his father and tricking his brother.

    So the Lord had to put him under an even greater trickster and deceiver, Laban.

    Laban tricked Jacob out of Rachel and switched her sister into his marriage bed, because he was too drunk to know it. Laban tried to trick Jacob from receiving his due number of sheep for his service

    (A week, a shubauh, seven years but we cant discuss this length of time because math can;t be mentioned HEREIN because evolutionists have no math nor understand math, nor want to read about time prophecy and exact math fulfillments)

    Anyway, Jacob had to wrestle with an angel when his brother Esau was going to come and kill him and take his wives and sheep..... Jacob repented and fought the angel for the blessing rightfully and honourably and did not give up or give IN, and got blessed and then he was called ISRAEL.

    Jacob is literally Israel and is a person and is not a worldly nation. Individuals have to choose the Lord and fight courageously for the blessing...there is no other way..

    Amen ? Amen !


    Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
    They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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