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Jon Inactive Member |
Every economic system I can think of is built on the manipulation of human labor. From the slave economies of the ancient world to the feudal economies of the middle ages to the market economies of today.
Your question doesn't just ask what happens to the cashiers, waiters, etc.; but it asks what happens to the entirety of the economy when its bedrock is removed. Indeed, what happens when human labor is no longer a commodity? When it becomes inessential? Isn't the current cost of a resource simply a matter of how much someone has to be paid to extract it? Do resources become free, then? And what does this mean for the people who own the resources when they no longer have to pay to exploit them? More importantly, though, what happens to all the people... ... when the robots don't need us anymore?Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
There will be a niche market for a restaurant where all the servers are robots. For sure. If the price is acceptable, it will even be before the robots can learn. It's just a "cool factor" that will appeal to some people. The coolest part will be not having to deal with dirty, rude, underpaid, slow employees. We are beyond the days where good customer service really makes its mark. Customer service, as practiced by actual employees, is dead. The great experience of having a friendly face bring your food doesn't exist. There's nothing to hold on to; there's nothing the human labor is providing that a robot can't. Go to Wal-Mart. The cashiers twiddle their thumbs while the lines for the self-checkouts back up into the clothing section. And I am right there with them, because I'm not wasting my time with some dipshit cashier when a very pleasant machine can do the work for me instead. JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Location may have an impact on the service.
In places where employees are paid minimum wage, tipping might be less, and the service offered less. But my opinion is: any service done for the hope of a tip is service not deserving a tip.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Waiters and waitresses make their living off of tips. That isn't universally true; which is the point I was making. A tip is, by definition, extra, and various governments have banned employers from calculating the tip as part of their employees' wage and thus paying less than minimum wage. For some, the tip is actually extra (as it should be) and so is only earned (in my opinion) by especially good service.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member
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The difference is that the robot learns almost immediately and can then generalize from that learning experience AND it don't forget. Generalizing sometimes produces its own mistakes that a real person might not be likely to make. But this is an adjustable aspect of the robot's learning. The only drawback to service by a robot is that robots have no potential for prettiness Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
In MN that would be either $6.15 or $5.25 depending on the size of the employer. I'm not aware of many places that pay less than $7.25/hr.
I guess you feel minimum wage is a livable wage. No; but I do feel it is the minimum. And I don't see a whole lot of difference between what the dishwasher does and the server does that justifies one making more money than the other.
So you don't leave a tip very often? I tipically do.
Waiters, waitresses and bartenders are some of the hardest working people I know. So are the dishwashers and cooks. Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Let's look at the service industry. Did you know the federal miniumn wage in the service industry is 2.13 an hour, with some states going as high as 5.63? As I said in Message 31, things don't work in line with just the federal laws in all locales. In Minnesota, it is against the law to include tips in a calculation of minimum wage. Employers must pay the minimum wage to tipped employees. And this changes the dynamic quite a bit, because then there is nothing different about a server, a dishwasher, or a Wal-Mart cashier except that you apparently only think one of them is worth tipping regardless of the quality of service.
I would love to see you get rent, food, electric and clothes at that amount. I make $6.05/hr. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
This could only be said by someone who hasn't been there. Perhaps. But like I said, where I live the notion of paying someone less than minimum wage on the premise that their tips will make up the difference is not only ridiculous but illegal. Servers make the same minimum wage that any other minimum wage employee at the same establishment would make.
The minimum wage laws set much lower minimums (about 1/3 of the minimum for labor) for tip eligible positions (as declared by the employer). Without a good level of tips you cannot pay the rent or buy food. The pay check you get every week doesn’t even cover your utilities and insurance let alone anything left for food and rent. This isn't true everywhere, as I've repeatedly said. My attitudes toward tipping might be different if I lived elsewhere. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
And, just to rub it in (cuz I'm an ass) I note that Minnesota's minimum wage is less than the federal standard. But the laws that are in place make it likely that most folk will earn the federal minimum.
So, tipped employees do make at least the minimum wage, and the hope is, maybe a bit more to help feed the baby. And how unfortunate for the cashiers who also have to feed babies with the same minimum wage but no tips. If you're such a great guy, why don't you tip everyone who makes minimum wage that is somehow or another involved in your acquisition of some good or service?Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
I'll check with some friends who do that kind of work but I think it is the norm that tips are shared with everone, front and back. IIRC, one thing done is the first 10 % (say) is shared and anything over is the servers (or servers and bus ) or whatever is agreed to or mandated by the place. I don't think that would be legal in the U.S.:
Tips in the U.S.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
If someone is as financially comfortable as I am and the server has not really screwed up bad, then I tell you to your face, if you do not tip AT LEAST 15% then you are a lousy excuse for a human being. You should be ashamed. Good for you.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Ned does not have it completely correct, but sharing of tips is a required aspect of working in any food service industry. Ned was talking about another country. I find absolutely no fault in what he said; it is likely even true for where he lives. In other words, Ned was 100% correct. Lay off.
However, you have an error in thinking about Minnesota being the standard that most states follow. Please show where I said Minnesota was "the standard that most states follow".
Until then, you feeling like tipping is not necessary is incorrect, ignorant, and rude to those who are relying on that to make a living. Learn to read what I actually write, before trying to lay into me about some stupid nonsense that I've never said. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
I'd probably never eat in a place where a tip is expected. So... ... fast food and all-you-can-eat buffets?Love your enemies!
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