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caffeine
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Message 21 of 46 (761929)
07-06-2015 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Diomedes
07-06-2015 3:30 PM


Re: The Euro was a bad idea
You hit the nail on the head. Countries with internal territories (states) have federal mechanisms in place to subsidize the lower performing states with the revenue from the higher performing states. Generally speaking, you will find this is almost always affected by population. So more populous states with higher population densities will invariably yield more revenue at the federal tax level which in turn will be used to shore up the revenues of the less populous states.
I don't think the architects of the Euro were unaware of this. The EU does try to redistribute wealth from richer to poorer regions. Richer member states pay more to the EU budgest, since contributions are calculated based on GDP and tax revenue. Most of that money is spent on either the Common Agricultural Policy or on the structural funds - the latter of which are designed to subsidise poorer and less developed parts of the EU and promote their economic development. This is where all those 'this project part-financed by the EU' signs you often see by construction sites come from.

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Message 32 of 46 (762531)
07-13-2015 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by AZPaul3
07-07-2015 8:42 PM


Re: Work, Wages, Salaries, Income
The Greek government hasn’t the financial power to create the kinds of infrastructure programs required, but the rest of the budding Federal European Union does. They must keep the Greek government out of the programs as much as possible because of its history of corruption and its demonstrated incompetence is handling fiscal requirements. Think of a Greater InterEuropean Highway system fully funded, controlled and managed in Brussels using Greek labor and contractors along with projects to modernize port facilities, water conservation and dam facilities, hospitals, schools, etc. within Greece. Billions of over 5 years or less.
The Greek government must be lead to end the internal corruption culture as well as institute strict tax recovery tactics aggressively pursuing and punishing tax evasions and capital flight. Extended debt repayment terms stretching into decades, not forgiveness, are also required.
The Eurozone Monetary Union was set up as a first step to a full political Federal European Union. The Germans and the French, the biggest proponents of such a union, are now in a position take the next step and demonstrate to the rest of the EU members what such a Federal Union can accomplish for the good of the states within such a union.
Right now Deutsche Bank and Chancellor Merkel are strangling both Greece and the hope of a Federal Republic of Europe with the same hand.
I think this would be against EU rules. Much as some may want a federal EU, plenty are opposed to the idea and so we don't actually have one. Brussels can't manage major infrastructre projects directly; these have to be done by providing EU funding to national governments based on proposals submitted by those governments. Changing that would mean a treaty change, which isn't possible, since that would require the consent of 28 governments + 28 parliaments + the electorates of whichever countries are constitutionally obliged, or think it politically expedient, to hold a referendum.

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Message 40 of 46 (762623)
07-14-2015 5:58 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Jon
07-13-2015 7:08 PM


Re: The Latest Agreement
Greeks will now be paying an outrageous sales tax rate of 20%!! (They were already paying 16(?)%.)
I'm not sure what's so outrageous about this. That would be the same rate as Austria, Bulgaria, Estonia, France, Slovakia and the UK. Here in Czech Republic we pay 21%.
I think you've misunderstood, though. Greece's sales tax is currently 23%. Food was, however, taxed at a lower rate of 13%. If you say it's only on meals, then I guess they're moving eating out at a restaurant into a higher tax category of 20%, and leaving only groceries at 13%.

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Message 42 of 46 (762626)
07-14-2015 7:46 AM
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07-14-2015 7:14 AM


Re: The Latest Agreement
The folks who wrote up this deal are delusional if they think it will actually help Greece.
The deal may now be facing a bigger probem, in that it's not sure who will pay for it. Poland and the UK have rejected any idea of using EU funds for a rescue package, on the basis that it's not the responsibility of the rest of the Union to pay for the Eurozone's troubles.

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