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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
edge writes: However, if all of the volcanism we see in the geological record occurred within just a 4ky time-frame that might merit a sentence or two in the Bible, yes? Faith's position is far more absurd than even that. Remember that no matter which of the Biblical flood myths you want to use the whole thing only lasted less than two years. Now if all the volcanoes, the continents splitting, mountain building, reef moving, landscape scouring, Cliffs of Dover moving and general mayhem Faith tries to squeeze into that two year period actually happened it would really lay down a pretty easily recognized marker. And that's what the early geologists thought they would find. But it didn't happen. Fortunately they were basically honest people and so Young Earth, the Biblical Floods simply got put into the fantasy pile where they belonged from the beginning.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: A pebble beach ...Tonto Sea... tore up the Vishnu ... causing ...schist and granite pebbles. I'm holding onto my eyes. How do you believe this absurd stuff? Really. We see such things today. And they could not be created in only one year.
We can even see what happens to such structures over two or even three years.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The one thing I know is true is that the Biblical worldwide Flood did occur about 4500 years ago. Everything else has to be subordinated to that. And how do you know that is true since not even the Bible gets the story straight?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The evidence that contradicts the Bible is wrong if the Bible is true and that's the end of that. But Faith, the Bible contradicts the Bible when it comes to the flood.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Doubting the Flood is not an option for a Christian, and the Flood is a really good interpretation for all the fossils found all over the world. Twice over wrong. Lots of Christians believe utter ignorance is not an option and thinking that the Flood is a really good interpretation for all the fossils found all over the world is a perfect example of utter ignorance. As a Christian I don't doubt the flood but rather understand that it is a plot device people used when creating morality tales and not anything that actually happened.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Your views of the Bible represent a tiny minority of recent liberal ideas. So you keep claiming but never offer anything but the dogma of your Cult in support of your position.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: The alternative is to claim that many if not most scientists are delusional. While it can be argued that many will believe the "lie" mentioned in 2 Thess 2:10-12 writes:
They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. If God really is "That which created all that is, seen and unseen" the the Lie would be believing the Bible which is written by Man when it conflicts with the Universe which was created by God. It is Young Earth Creationists that will perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved and that are deluded so that they believe the lie and will be condemned for not believing the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: All those "joules" are really quite meaningless. What Faith fails to understand is that those meaningless joules are actually reality while the Biblical Flood is a plot device created by ignorant writers.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: OK I can't call them wrong but they don't get to be right without being able to make it make sense to a nonscientist. That's really stupid Faith. Reality wins even if you don't believe it is real. They are right even if you refuse to learn enough to understand the very basics.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: I just want it acknowledged that it is as much evidence for my interpretation as for yours. But once again, you are simply spouting utter nonsense. Fossils are NOT evidence for the Biblical Flood; rather the fossils are direct and overwhelming evidence that they did NOT die in some global flood and that has been explained to you a Brazillion times. No flood can sort the biological, geological, radiometric, isotopic, cultural and chemical samples in the order found in nature and reality. The fossils alone are sufficient evidence to conclusively state that no Biblical Flood ever happened.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Also that
Edited by jar, : I can't really say almost all because I don't know how many deep cores have actually been take, but I can strongly suspect it's a bunch.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The mere abundance of dead things seen all over the world is in itself something one would expect of the worldwide Flood: it fits with what the Flood was intended to accomplish, and it fits with the ideal conditions afforded by such a worldwide inundation for fossilization. That is total and utter bullshit Faith and why it is bullshit has been explained to you a brazillion times and it is only the dogma of your Cult that you present, not any evidence. It is impossible for a flood to sort the samples found in reality in the order found in reality. There was never a Biblical Flood! That's fact and truth, Faith. Claiming there is evidence for the Biblical Flood is just lying and fantasy.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Remember that Faith's silly flood first kills everything but then piles miles of sediment on whatever died. She's stripping everything that ain't nailed down off in the very first 40 days so it's likely even the freshly dead get buried right at the start along with everything that's dense. Then after the 40 days all the less dense material will pile on so what we MUST see if the Biblical Flood happened is a bottom lair of corpsicals and dense big rocks and then gradually finer material until the top layer is the smallest, lightest stuff left.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Oh well. The historical sciences are all unprovable mental conjuring. That is really about as stupid a comment as it is possible to make and a common idiocy in the Christian Cult of Ignorance. Change leaves evidence. PERIOD! Change leaves evidence! Past changes left evidence! Period. Evidence of change exists! Period. You fools may refuse to understand but reality still exists. Had the Biblical Flood happened there would be evidence yet NO such evidence exists. Had Special Creation happened then there would be evidence yet no such evidence exists. You can continue to remain ignorant or attempt to actually learn from all those here who have been praying for your enlightenment for over a decade.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
True Dat, but in Faith's majic flood stuff doesn't get deposited in the oceans; it gets deposited on the continents.
And remember that in Faith's universe it is not just the sediments on land today but all the material above the Vishnu schist.
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