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But poetry is not science or reality Faith. We are in a Science forum and should be dealing with what is actually happening rather than fantasies. Correct. And Peter was ignorant of reality.

Except for the fact that they are lying, no flows cut through solid rock and the strata laid down is easily identified as volcanic ash and does not demonstrate the layering and sorting found in reality.They lie and misrepresent reality as easily as they lie and misrepresent the Bible and Christianity. Except for the fact they are lying and misrepresenting reality as easily as they lie and misrepresent the Bible and Christianity.The layer in the Grand Canyon are NOT flat or straight and show sorting that would be impossible for any flood to create. Except for the fact that they are lying. The flood does not meet the conditions needed to produce the fossilization found in reality and in fact what is found in reality could not possibly be created by a flood. Floods do not sort critter by type or create the layers as found in reality. Except for the fact they are lying and misrepresenting reality as easily as they lie and misrepresent the Bible and Christianity. What we see is exactly what should be seen if the conventional explanation is considered and totally impossible to be created by a flood.Your video is simply lies created by professional liars to be marketed to the willfully ignorant and dishonest.

Which is a great example of the utter dishonesty of Creationists. We have been telling you for over a decade that things get laid down in flat straight layers at times. That is the norm and the result of well known conventional processes.BUT it has noting to do with forming the layers in the geological column. Their pretending it does is the total dishonesty that is the norm. Your allowing that misrepresentation and believing them is simply an example of your inability to think.What was laid down was a classic volcanic flow but to then turn that into rock takes time. To then change it into a metamorphic rock takes even longer. Only in the mind of the members of your cult.Floods mix everything up which is exactly the opposite of what is seen in reality. A flood would have mixed up human and modern animals with the dinosaurs but that has NEVER been found in reality. The Biblical Flood simply never happened and only members of your cult think it did. It is very easy to explain Faith and in fact the conventional theory does explain what is seen while the Biblical Flood does not.The conventional flood is that things died and they died in the same environment where they lived, when they lived; and so they are found with the other things that lived at the same time and in the same place.And Faith, that is what is seen, not some jumbled mass of disparate critters like you would find after a flood.The idea that a Biblical Flood happened is simply stupid.

Yes Faith, we know you have selective memory and conveniently forget all of the issues that refute your utterly stupid flood.And now you are at the point of claiming that your Biblical Flood was not a flood.

How was the flood not a flood?How does your imaginary flood sort geology as seen in reality?How does your imaginary flood sort the biological samples as seen in reality.Sorry Faith but the Biblical Flood is simply a fantasy of your Cult.AbE: And your use of the Mount Saint Helen's example is simply another example of the utter total dishonesty of Creationist. That only shows that volcanic ash can be laid down in fairly thick layers rapidly.Well no shit Serlock. But it does not tell anothe who is not a member of your Cult anything about how any other type of formation is created.Creationist lie. They lie about reality and the Bible and what evidence is because they know that the Cult members are trained to not think.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

And in addition there is fossil evidence of land based plants that certainly could not move to avoid the flood yet show the very same pattern as we see with the critters. We see proto-trees below true trees; grasses don't show up until near the extinction of the dinosaurs about 70 million years ago but the first flowers showed up about 140 million years ago.And when we look at the plant evidence we see the same changes over time within each grouping with every species evolving over the millions of years and new forms never found below the older forms.How did the Biblical Flood sort the plant fossils in the order found in reality?

Of the Miracle Flud water since normal water can't do such things.

And as usual you fail to explain how your magical flud could do that. Yet as usual you fail to explain how your magical flud could do that. Yet the reality is that the samples were found where they were found and as usual you fail to explain how your magical flud could do that.The Biblical Flud is a really stupid concept only believed by cult members.

And suppositional dating and ...The Biblical Flud as anything other than story is a concept peculiar to a few Christian and Muslim Cults.

No Faith, that is simply not true. You are not trying to show anything or you would be presenting the explanation of how your flud placed objects in the positions where they wer found.The Biblical Flud is just a fantasy marketed by some Christian and Muslim Cults.

That's a great example of the dishonesty and intention refusal to think that is the hallmark of your Cult.The reality is the the conventional theories actually explain what is found in reality while you have never been able to provide a model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that would allow the Flud your Cult markets to do anything found in reality.

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how water lays down sedimentary strata
how sedimentary strata make no sense in the timescale paradigm
how the huge numbers of fossils are consistent with the Flood and not the timescale piecemeal deposition model
how the timescale interpretation of the "fossil order" has no objective basis, it's all pure imagination
how all the strata were laid down flat and straight before any kind of tectonic or volcanic disturbance affected them
how their initial flatness and straightness is consistent with the Flood and not with the timescale paradigm
how dating methods can't be proved

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None of those are evidence Faith, they are simply unsupported assertions and not evidence of any Biblical Flud.But the truth is that the conventional theories do provide a model that explains the evidence seen in reality; that the processes we see going on today are the processes that happened in the past, that change leaves evidence and that biological samples found together lived at the same time and in the environment were they were found.

And once again, we have the evidence while all Faith has is the dogma of her Cult.A great example that also provides another separate and independent observation is the data developed and cataloged after WWII of the magnetic sea floor observations.Submarines were a major threat during and even after WWII and so locating subs was a high priority goal. SONAR worked well but had a limited range and since it was an active process also told the target that you were there and searching. A magnetometer though was a passive technology and so could be used without telling the target you were searching and so magnetometer technology advanced rapidly and became increasingly accurate and reliable.As subs got even more capable, quieter, harder to detect magnetometer technology also got better at detecting anomalies.Now some facts. When lava cools and solidifies it adopts the polarity of the Earth's magnetic field at the time the rock cools. It then retains that polarity until it is destroyed.The data from the magnetometer scans of the Atlantic (and later other oceans) showed a distinct pattern of mirrored stripes and regular magnetic reversals on each side of the mid ocean ridge.The stripes end abruptly at the edges of continents or at deep sea trenches.The Earth does not seem to be getting bigger.The issue was to figure out the process, procedure, model, method or mechanism that could explain what is seen.The model that developed was of magma rising at the mid-ocean ridges and then subducting at the continental edge and deep sea trenches.The next step was to see if there was other evidence to support that model, preferable multiple and independent lines of inquiry.And Yes Virginia, there is such evidence.Three separate and independent observations supported that model.First is sediment. Above the lava it is non-existent at the mid-ocean ridge and increases in thickness as you move away from the ridge. Since any sedimentation happened over time, the thicker layers of sediment must be older than the thinner layers.Second is crustal thickness. Again, as you move away from the mid-ocean ridge the crust becomes thicker.Third is heat flow. It is hottest at the mid-ocean ridge and decreases as you move away from the ridge.Later additional observations explained that where the stripes ended are places of subduction, the surface going back down into the mantle. This also helped explain earthquakes (yet more evidence) and mountain building (yet more evidence).So far no one has presented any model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that would allow some flood to create the actual evidence that exists in reality.

But you can't fit them into that time frame, explain how your imaginary flud could cause them, or in fact anything at all. All you have is the dogma of your cult.Edited by jar, : too many "your"

That is another example of you misrepresenting reality Faith. What you mean is that reality contradicts everything your Cult tries to market.The issue is not with reality but rather the fact that everything your Cult tries to market is false.