The Tension of Faith

I'm against gay couples adopting except in some circumstances such as being a relative of the child. There is nothing beneficial to society about children being raised by gays except when all the other options are worse. Uncles and aunts raise children when necessary and that's the model I'd have in mind.

It's the pretense to be a family equivalent to marriage that would make them bad parents. Crazy-making for the children.Foster parents get financial help so that model could apply where the adoption is already in place.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes and he's right to discriminate against gay marriage. We don't sell alcohol or cigarettes to minors, or guns to felons, there are some situations where we discriminate and gay marriage ought to be one of them.I don't care what the Old South did, they were biblically wrong. That opinion is unConstitutional, a violation of the "prohibition" clause of the First Amendment.
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You did NOT "call attention to hateful things I say," YOU DEFINED THEM AS HATEFUL AND HUNG THEM ON ME. THAT IS A PECULIARLY EVIL PERSONAL ATTACK. YOU LABELED ME AS "INHUMANE" AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER EVIL THINGS. SINCE MY VIEWS ARE BASED ON THE BIBLE IT IS REALLY GOD YOU ARE CALLING BY THOSE NAMES. BUT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT DIRECTLY HAVEN'T YOU? I'M so GLAD THAT IF YOU DON'T REPENT HE WILL PUNISH YOU. THIS KIND OF EVIL YOU ARE DOING RICHLY DESERVES IT.I DID ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT VENGEANCE. YOU CAN'T HAVE LOVE WITHOUT PUNISHING (UNREPENTANT) EVILDOERS.APPARITIONS DO NOT OCCUR IN THE BIBLE THOUGH THEY DO OCCUR IN OTHER RELIGIONS AS DEMONIC MANIFESTATIONS. DEMONS POSSESS PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE. ANGELS APPEAR IN THE BIBLE BUT NOT IN THE FORM OF WHAT WE CALL APPARITIONS.DISCUSSE3D THE NATURAL/SUPERNATURAL SITUATION AT GREAT LENGTH. IT'S NATURAL BECAUSE IT'S CREATED, OTHERWISE WE CONVENTIONALLY REFER TO INVISIBLE BEINGS AND THEIR DOINGS AS SUPERNATURAL. I MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE MIRACLES OF GOD AND THE PETTY MIRACLES OF THE DEMONS BUT I SAID MORE THAN ONCE YOU CAN CALL THEM ALL MIRACLES AND ALL SUPERNATURAL WITH THAT DISTINCTION.I KNOW I TRUST THE BIBLE AND KNOW WHO SATAN IS AND WHAT HE DOES AND I ALREADY ANSWERED THAT TOO.I ANSWERED THE ONE ABOUT THAT WEBSITE TOO: THEY ARE PETTY "MIRACLES" NOT LIKE THE MIRACLES OF GOD. I ALREADY ANSWERED ALL THIS.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

And the state made a law prohibiting the free exercise of the Christian religion. That is a violation of the Constitution.

Gay people have lived together for years without all this folderol. There are ways to take care of the problems without all this confusion.LEGITIMATE MARRIAGE HAS BEEN UNDERMINED FOR DECADES NOW. GAY MARRIAGE IS JUST THE MOST RECENT WAY TO UNDERMINE IT. EASY DIVORCE STARTED THE DETERIORATION AND IT'S BEEN DOWNHILL EVER SINCE.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I was only interested in the fact that foster parents get paid, not the whole foster system.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

THAT IS BECAUSE THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT THE LAW, PHAT.THE FACT THAT I CAN BE, AND AM, FRIENDS WITH GAYS, IS A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. AND THERE'S NOTHING MERCIFUL IN ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO COMMIT A VIOLATION OF GOD'S LAW ANYWAY, WHICH GAY MARRIAGE DOES. AND AVAILABLE ABORTION DOES TOO. IF I'M BEING MERCIFUL I WANT TO TELL PEOPLE ABOUT SALVATION, NOT BURY THEM DEEPER IN SIN. Why would He want me to let go of defending the truth?I agree, though, that I do get dug in on a subject where there is so much idiotic opposition. I don't "market" anything Phat. You need to stop listening to that antichristian jar. I'm defending the law of God and His truth. Sorry you have such a false idea of what mercy is. That's a hazard of the topic as I see it. But I have to say in retort to you that your idea of mercy is so mushheaded you don't represent Christ anyway.Mercy is the gospel, Phat: Repent and believe. Gay marriage is just consolidating sin in the society and in individual lives. What's merciful about that? I used to do what? I don't even know what you are talking about.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There are lots of deceived Christians.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Ugh. Yuck. Blech.

You know what, Phat? I have to agree with you this far: I hate this kind of debate, it is ugly and it doesn't represent Christ even if it is about something important. I want to stop it. I don't know if I can but that's what I would like to do, just say no more.

Translation: "Just come around to agreeing with all of us here and everything will be fine, we'll stop hating you."I'm beginning to think you expect EvC to fold pretty soon since you are so aggressively violating your own rule about personal attacks as if none of it matters any more. You know, "argue the topic not the person." Wouldn't it be simpler just to suspend me?

I thought my post was particularly to the point myself.

Just love how the heathen have given themselves the authority to define Christianity. No doubt part of the move to the One World Antichrist religion.

It isn't really about competence to be parents, it's about what I said: pretense to be equivalent to heterosexual parents which promotes a false idea of marriage and family. Of course if there is no such pretense, but more like being aunts or uncles as guardians, that's something else. I'm sure there are many gays who can be fine parents if they treat it as a guardianship and don't try to confuse biological and social categories in the minds of children..Just because I oppose the playing of false roles because that twists society's categories in people's minds, really doesn't mean I hate gays at all. I don't think it's healthy to pretend you are something you aren't.ABE: Gays are sinners like everyone else. They need to be set free from their sin and redeemed by Christ. In any case nobody's sin should be allowed to dictate social policy. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.