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Author Topic:   My health journey and why I no longer believe everything my doctors say
Lammy
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Message 31 of 39 (856082)
06-26-2019 11:10 AM


Update on this.

It's been 6 months since I started the thread. I am still feeling as healthy as ever. Still working out at the gym on 5 days a week.

For the past 2 months, I've been experimenting with different ways at going at this. For example, I've been eating lunch again 4-5 days a week. My lunch consists of plain oats and bananas.

I've been taking full advantage of my now status as a lactose tolerant person. Oh my goodness, cheese is so good. The other night, my husband and I attended an lgbt get-together. Someone brought really good cheese, crackers, and wine. I was munching on crackers and cheese all night and there was absolutely no side affect later on. The wine was amazing as well.


If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

  
Lammy
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Message 32 of 39 (856083)
06-26-2019 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Theodoric
01-05-2019 5:22 PM


There have been a growing body of evidence that long term low carb diets increase your chances of heart disease.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/...ses/2018/08/180828085922.htm


If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Theodoric
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Message 33 of 39 (856093)
06-26-2019 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Lammy
06-26-2019 11:11 AM


A review of it states this.
quote:
While the study couldn't prove cause-and-effect, experts said the findings spotlight the potential impact of such diets -- or any "extreme" way of eating -- on long-term health.

https://www.webmd.com/...et-may-up-odds-for-an-early-death#1

More on this study, that is not a published study.

quote:
The supposed link to “premature death” of a “low carbohydrate diet” were said to be part of a large study that was presented at the European Society of Cardiology (ESC) Congress 2018 in Munich, Germany, but when I went to find the journal in which the study was published so I could read it, I discovered that it’s not even been published yet. I even checked the lead author’s Publication page on ResearchGate and could not find the published study. Furthermore, the findings were not presented as one of the more than 500 Conference sessions of research studies at the European Society of Cardiology Congress, but was one of the 4,500 Abstract presentations — not even as a talk, but as a Poster Session.

https://www.lchf-rd.com/...linked-to-risk-of-premature-death
Read this article and you will understand why this "study" was never published. Lots of issues with it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 34 of 39 (856120)
06-27-2019 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lammy
12-30-2018 4:03 PM


Defy conventional wisdom when the wisdom conventionally fails
When I came out of fasting, I went into intermittent fasting. Basically, I eat once a day. After just 3 months of eating once a day, without taking any of the dozen meds I'd been taking for years, all my health issues went away. My cholesterol took a nosedive from the high 200s down to 160s. I was declared free of type 2.

There was a former NFL player known for his freak athleticism and cartoonish physique... he was (still is actually) absolutely jacked.... shredded.... and was still so impressively athletic way after football, so much so that he took up professional MMA... in his late 40s and retired from that, successfully, in his early to mid 50s. A total freak of nature.

People assumed he was on steroids because of his physique. They believed this because he had said that since he was a teenager, he never used weights and only did calisthenics. Nobody believed at face value. In fact, to this day he does something like 1,000 pushups, 1,000 sit ups, and 500 pull ups daily.... more remarkably, he claimed to eat once a day, everyday, since that time. Impossible, the naysayers would say...

No one believed him. But he has proven himself time and again. He defied conventional medical wisdom by eating one time everyday and is just about the specimen of health and longevity.

His name is Herschel Walker.

Ori Hofmekler, founder of the "Warrior Diet," has also advocated something similar with amazing success.

So I believe you in your newfound success on intermittent fasting. I also don't believe half of what doctors say. The only time I give them more credence is when they are specialists who have been in that field for 5 or more years. Most doctors are generalists and, believe it or not, are getting their information from the same sources anyone could with a Google search on PubMed or the New England Journal of Medicine.

Do what consistently yields proven results... after all, that is the foundation of science. No quackery in that...


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Theodoric
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Message 35 of 39 (856124)
06-27-2019 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Hyroglyphx
06-27-2019 8:21 AM


No Hyro, most Dr's are not incompetent
Most doctors are generalists and, believe it or not, are getting their information from the same sources anyone could with a Google search on PubMed or the New England Journal of Medicine.

Not true at all. In the USA generalists do not really exist any more. In order to get credentialed MDs and DOs need to specialize. Internal Medicine and Family Medicine are specialties and these doctors are highly trained. They do not just use Google and the New England Journal. There are a lot of specialized journals that the public would not know about and doctors need to do an extensive amount of continuing education every year.
The vast majority of doctors I know follow and practice evidence based medicine. If there is evidence, which means rigorous studies to back, then they will look at it and make a determination if it is something they should back.
This is an issue you have with a lot of your arguments. You paint whole classes of people with a wide brush. Doctors do not act and practice as a monolithic group. It is offensive that you treat a whole group of people as a mindless mass.

Full disclosure.
My wife is the medical director at a Community Health Center. She is in the frontlines providing health care to the most vulnerable members of our society. She does not get her info from the "same sources anyone could with a Google search on PubMed or the New England Journal of Medicine." She is an extremely intelligent, competent and respected physician.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 36 of 39 (856131)
06-27-2019 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Theodoric
06-27-2019 9:56 AM


Theo, still easily offended
The butt-hurt is strong with you. I'm not saying that doctors don't know shit, don't go to a challenging medical schools, nor was I suggesting that your wife is worthless (lol, wut?). What I said was that most doctors, like Family Practice or Emergency Medicine, which are a generalized fields due to the wide range of symptoms they see, make their own diagnoses but are standardized treatments. Ever get that generic printout from an ER for discharge instructions?

Sometimes doctors don't really know what the hell is going on with you or how to treat it. They often shoot from the hip with guesswork based on what they believe is standard practice. On average, there 85,000 malpractice cases annually as a testament to this.

If you can find a good doctor who is thorough, it is to everyone's benefit. There are thousands upon thousands of great doctors. But the average time ER and Family Practice doctors actually sit and talk with a patient is 5-10 minutes. You think maybe they're gonna reach incorrect diagnoses often based on that alone? They will.

Lammy's testimony is not unique. Again, not all doctors suck or are wrong... but we need to stop treating them infallibly


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Theodoric
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Message 37 of 39 (856137)
06-27-2019 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Hyroglyphx
06-27-2019 12:40 PM


Re: Theo, still easily offended
Wow. Won't even support what you said.
I'm not saying that doctors don't know shit

You heavily implied that they were lazy and were worthless. If you want to retrract that go right ahead but we can all read what you said.

like Family Practice or Emergency Medicine, which are a generalized fields due to the wide range of symptoms they see, make their own diagnoses but are standardized treatments.

Yes treatments based on empirical evidence. There is saying in medicine. If you hear hoof beats don't look for zebras.

Sometimes doctors don't really know what the hell is going on with you or how to treat it.

No shit. That happens in every field. That is why they look at the latest data.
On average, there 85,000 malpractice cases annually as a testament to this.

And what specialties are responsible for the vast majority of cases? It isn't the family practice docs.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9610/index1.html
There are thousands upon thousands of great doctors. But the average time ER and Family Practice doctors actually sit and talk with a patient is 5-10 minutes.

This is dictated by insurance companies not the doc's. There is more to an appt than talking to the patient, though that is important.

but we need to stop treating them infallibly

I actually know no one that does and know no doc's that expect to be treated that way.

Yes, I do take offense. I take offense from you a lot because you have a tendency to make statesment about whole groups of people. Statements that tend to be false or ignorant at best.

Lets look at your original comment I took exception to.

I also don't believe half of what doctors say. The only time I give them more credence is when they are specialists who have been in that field for 5 or more years. Most doctors are generalists and, believe it or not, are getting their information from the same sources anyone could with a Google search on PubMed or the New England Journal of Medicine.

Yeah that is offensive to a lot of hard working knowledgeable doctors.
The butt-hurt is strong with you.

Go fuck yourself.

Edited by Theodoric, : spelling


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 38 of 39 (856143)
06-27-2019 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Theodoric
06-27-2019 2:47 PM


Re: Theo, still easily offended
You heavily implied that they were lazy and were worthless. If you want to retrract that go right ahead but we can all read what you said.

What I heavily implied was exactly what I said the way I said it. You were the one that invented inferences out of thin air; no doubt this subject touches a nerve with you. For what its worth, right before I typed this I was with a Family Practitioner. He was amazing... sat with me for 45 minutes and went over so many options and went above and beyond with tests to ensure a proper evaluation. Very thorough and clearly loves his job.

Yes treatments based on empirical evidence.

Right... assuming a correct diagnoses in 5 minutes....

Yes, I do take offense. I take offense from you a lot because you have a tendency to make statesment about whole groups of people. Statements that tend to be false or ignorant at best.

And you have a tendency to be offended by a slight summer breeze... if you're the common denominator then maybe it says more about you than it does me. I very clearly qualified my issue with some characteristics present in some healthcare professionals. Doctor sometimes get things wrong, as does everyone in every profession. But unlike in other professions, people tend to place IMO a little too much stock. The title of the thread was why the OP (Lammy) no longer believes in everything his doctor's say. Nothing wrong with that; nothing wrong with a second, triple, or quadruple opinion. Had he listened to his doctors his health would still be deteriorating. And maybe it was a more thorough doc that steered him in the right direction. Medicine, like all science, is constantly being updated... maybe the other doctors were following antiquated science.

Go fuck yourself.

Thank you, I just might do that.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Lammy
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Message 39 of 39 (856798)
07-02-2019 10:58 PM


Sex drive
There is one thing I forgot to mention before. My sex drive in the last month or so has gone up considerably. We've been doing it almost every-day, sometimes twice a day. I'm not sure this has anything to do with my eating routine.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

  
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