And jar is an instrument of the enemy by encouraging such behavior, as if humans were always meant to be responsible and outgrow a need for God.
It is not I that say humans were always meant to be responsible but rather the Bible; not just once but time after time after time. Beginning in Genesis 2&3 the God Character makes the humans responsible for their behavior even when the root cause was a failing of the God character.
Phat, why do you constantly object when folk point out what is actually written in the Bible rather than what is marketed from the Snake Oil salesmen call Apologists?
Could it be that you don't want to be responsible for your behavior and just want the Jesus as a Get Outta Responsibility coin?
First of all, I dont agree that allapologists are simply snake oil salesman.
What does the evidence show?
Second, the evidence shows that nearly everyone who markets the "snake told the truth and God lied" explanation are themselves atheists and/or agnostics...except you.
What is actually written in the story? Have you read the Bible Phat? It's not what I market, it is what the author(s) of Genesis 2 & 3 wrote.
It is something that I cannot explain except to say that it is found through faith and not through evidence.
So it is simply a belief and there is no way to tell if it is God or a Bad Burrito.
Of course I want to be reponsible but unlike you I'm not so proud that I insist on doing everything myself as you were evidently taught to do.
Again, stop misrepresenting what I have said. I have never said you must do everything all by yourself.
But Paul said you are to fight the good fight; not win the good fight, Paul said you are to run the race; not win the race. Jesus said you are to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, comfort the sorrowful, protect the helpless, teach the children...
Again Phat, it's not what I say, it is what the Bible says.