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sidelined
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Message 19 of 84 (312783)
05-17-2006 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Christian7
05-17-2006 8:02 AM


Guidosoft
For example, it has been shown that a high concentration of electrical activity in the brain is responsible for consciousness in those areas (correct me if I am wrong.)
So, the soul, would correspond with the electrical activity in the brain by being conscious of those areas.
Since electrical activity is responsible for consciousness how does a soul manage to be conscious if it does not partake of electrical activity that we have established to be necessary for consciousness?

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Message 69 of 84 (314156)
05-21-2006 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Christian7
05-17-2006 4:31 PM


Guido Arbia
I meant that there is a relationship between electrical activity in the brain and consciousness. I will go correct that now.
That is good to hear. What is the relationship between the electromagnetic force and the consciousness of which you speak?

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Message 72 of 84 (314181)
05-21-2006 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Christian7
05-21-2006 4:22 PM


Guido Ariba
This is a capsule summary of our discussion thus far.
Guido Ariba writes:
For example, it has been shown that a high concentration of electrical activity in the brain is responsible for consciousness in those areas (correct me if I am wrong.)
So, the soul, would correspond with the electrical activity in the brain by being conscious of those areas.
sidelined writes:
Since electrical activity is responsible for consciousness how does a soul manage to be conscious if it does not partake of electrical activity that we have established to be necessary for consciousness?
Guido Ariba writes:
My mistake: I meant that there is a relationship between electrical activity in the brain and consciousness. I will go correct that now.
sidelined writes:
That is good to hear. What is the relationship between the electromagnetic force and the consciousness of which you speak?
Your asking me this as if I know all the answers. I know nothing but logic and speculation. I can argue my point usng logic but the point itself is speculation.
We are trying to establish here the arguement you have for the existence of a soul as you outlined in your OP
I basically want to talk about weather or not we have a soul that is a separate entity from the brain. Now, I want to use a discussion on consciousness in order to decide that because I think that consciousness is a component of the soul. Weather it is or not will be decided in the debate. If consciousness cannot be explained in physical terms a separate soul is most likely responsible for consciousness. The following is where I stand on the issue. It is my summarized theory of consciousness.
You have explained already that the consciousness is due to the electrical activity of the brain. This establishes a physical origin to the consciousness. The difficulty here is in explaining why the addition postulate of a soul, whose defining characteristics you have not established, becomes necessary to explain any aspect of our conscious existence.

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Message 77 of 84 (314512)
05-23-2006 2:07 AM
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05-22-2006 9:43 PM


Guido Ariba
Are you retarded?
Quite possibly. How would I know?
No where in any of my posts have I explained that consciousness is the result of activity in the brain.
In post 18 you made this statement.
For example, it has been shown that a high concentration of electrical activity in the brain is related to the level of consciousness in those areas (correct me if I am wrong.)
Then in post 33 you corrected
My mistake: I meant that there is a relationship between electrical activity in the brain and consciousness. I will go correct that now.
So now we have you stating that these are incorrect statements and that consciousness is not the electrical activity of the brain
You now further state that
I have all this time been saying that the interactions between the soul and the electrical and chemical activity in the brain is the cause of active consciousness and coherent free will.
Ok, what are the nature of these interactions? The claim is yours that a soul exists and that it is the cause of active consciousness and coherent freewill. The electromagnetic force is mediated by the exchange particle called the photons and this is the force responsible for the electrical and chemical activity in the brain.
Since the elctromagnetic force is the second strongest of the four forces in nature can you please explain how the photon is affected by the soul and what the exchange particle that produces the force necessary to interact with the electromagnetic force and why this force does not show up in experiments on the electrical activity and chemical effects in the brain?

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