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tomwillrep
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Message 1 of 49 (43608)
06-22-2003 10:14 AM


why did an evolved life-form that came from nothing, and evolved over time evolve into its current state "invent" a god - and make records of our relationship with god - thousands of years before we "revelaed" how we were created by evolution, especially at a time when christianity was a huge thing in england?
also - if we evolved around the area of africa why are there no rcords there, from the african people of evolution.
also why do many africans believe in some "god" creating the world (whether they are muslim or christian they believe in a "god")?
thanks

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tomwillrep
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Message 3 of 49 (43613)
06-22-2003 11:11 AM


"thousands of years before we "revelaed" how we were created by evolution"
hmmm... because we didn't have a better idea thousands of years ago. History is full of bad ideas.
--- why did we not "know" before this time though? if homo sapiens are an age old species why do we have no record of the first homo sapien (we have records of the first human being adam), we have no idea until darwin (and other people) decided that we came from evolution.
darwin was christian - my view is that he was protesting against ahving christianity "drummed" into him that he rebelled and came up with this new theory.
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"especially at a time when christianity was a huge thing in england?"
Are you sure you have your chronology right? Christianity itself has only been around 2000 years, and didn't make it to England until some hundreds of years later. People had invented Gods long before that time.
-- yes christianity has been around a long time - i was referrring (if you understood the context of my post) that the theory of evolution came at a time when christianity was "in charge" of britain- at a time when people were likely to rebel and want to find ways to argue against something that they did not like - so evolution was invented?!
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"also - if we evolved around the area of africa why are there no rcords there, from the african people of evolution."
Why would there be records? We didn't start recording things until 30,000 years ago or so-- if you count cave paintings as records. Written language is only, perhaps, 6000 years old. Our species has been homo sapien for, perhaps, a couple of hundred thousand years.
--- the bible is a recording of events from the beginning of the earth - IF we evolved we would have some recording, some note or some form of noteable points that would suggest how we came to be.
cave paintings have not proven anything about evolution - i recently saw in the newspaper cavepaintings of giraffes - all looked the same but somehow it "proved" evolution -
also, many "artists" have their own p

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tomwillrep
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Message 5 of 49 (43629)
06-22-2003 1:03 PM


"why did we not "know" before this time though?"
Why did we not know about electromagnetism until a few hundred years ago? Why did we not know about radiation until a few hundred years ago? Why did we not know about super conductors until this century? Why did we not know about galaxies until this century?
Your question really doesn't make sense. Why SHOULD we have known?
for someone who seems to understand some in depth information adn calculations of evolution you don't seem able to understand a simple question- we should ahve known where we came from - the story of creation has been aorund the longest out of all ideas/views/theories- those people "KNEW" where they came from for thousands of years - yet if you follow evolution - no one knows where or how - we have assumptions and suggestions "probably," being a favourite word - of where we came from - a view that changes constantly and does not stay consistent - if we came from apes - why were we not aware until the last few centuries?
you say why did we not know about electro magnetism until just recently - to me that is because the earth is still relatively young (young compared to evolutionists views of millions of years old) and so those things were only recently found out with developments in technology - technology that can be used by everyone (i can use a telescope to see stars and planets - i cannot however underatke freely, without lots and lots of evolutionary based training, conduct experiments or make calculations to see how old the world is?!)
"if homo sapiens are an age old species why do we have no record of the first homo sapien"
I explained this. The first of our species were around long before anyone invented writing. You can't leave a written record if you can't write.
the stories in the bible were passed down by word of mouth - a tradition used by many religions, many countries, etc etc - why have we therefore not heard any of these stories in order to wirte them down - why did we evolve voice boxes if not to use them?
"(we have records of the first human being adam)"
No we don't. We have a book that claims to be a record of the first human. Pick a religion and you'll find some such book claiming this or that person was the first human. It isn't proof. It is myth.
----a myth is a made up story - a legend is a story that has truth to it - therefore it is more a legend than a myth - i would request you to name other religious texts that talk about the first human - the ones i am aware of - the bible, torah and koran(spelling) all talk about adam as the first human on earth - most other religions don't have a first human, they just start when their religion started - years after the jewish recordings!
"we have no idea until darwin (and other people) decided that we came from evolution."
Darwin didn't invent the idea of evolution. It had been around for awhile when he hit the stage. What Darwin did was formulate a workable mechanism for evolution
-- it came around a long time after ALL religions - why is it that the "truth" of the world only came around thousands of years after we "invented" god and religion-also why is it that only the developed countries - the ones that are further away from the origins of evolution-believe in evolution yet the countries near to where humans "originated" are not aware and do not know- around all areas associated with religious beliefs of any kind - there are many people who believe in the religion-yet if we came from africa then why do very few/if any african people-the most likely people to be closest to apes-not actually know of this ancestoral past?
"the bible is a recording of events from the beginning of the earth"
Sorry, bud, no it isn't. It claims to be recording from the beginning, but the Earth is far older than 6 thousand years.
im sorry - evolution is a "claim" - it is a theory - a claim-an idea- historically the bible can be traced backs - all places mentioned have existed, the egyptians and the pharoahs existed, the jewish and christian slavery existed, the disciples, a guy called jesus, all existed - this can be traced by looking at who the disciples taught, who then taught others, who then taught others, which can be traced - however, where are the traces of evolutionary past? surely when we learnt to write we would have THEN recorded our evolutionary past - not another few thousand years after?

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tomwillrep
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Message 10 of 49 (43683)
06-22-2003 8:54 PM


old families used to be "extended families" therefore - grandparents and great-grandparents lived with their great-grandchildren and grandchildren and children etc etc
then there is the tales past down - i hear "in the war i did.....when i was young i did......
so surely - at some point some adapted life form must have grunted out a sentence that was passed down along the lines of "we came from apes" or "we are related to those creatures"
"yet if we came from africa then why do very few/if any african people-the most likely people to be closest to apes-not actually know of this ancestoral past?"
This is racist and idiotic. Sorry. ALL of us are descended from the same frighteningly small bunch of people in Africa. We are all equally related to other primates. Those who stayed in Africa, remained adapted to the climate. That's all. Those who left, adapted to other climates.
where is my racist comment - i have read, been told and heard and saw "evidence" that the first homo sapiens have originated in the area close to africa- i was not making any comment in any racist way - i find your remark quite insulting to suggest that i'm racist?! -
anyway back to the argument-the first homo sapiens have originated in the area close to africa (by evolutionary theory)- therefore people in that area would surely believe in the way they came to be - yet very few people do - we can go to countries that are "not-so-developed" anywhere in the world and very little of these countries, if any will "know" of evolution - why is this? why just the developed countries that are turning away from a creationist belief?

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