Why Lie? (Re: Evolution frauds and hoaxes)

So I can be right AND wrong, about the same thing, and that’s OK? I will "nitpick" anything that doesn’t make any logical sense. To you 10,000 years (give or take a few centuries) is OK only because you ASSUME that there are 4.6 Billion years to play with. Science has not proven the age of the earth, yet 4.5 or 4.6 or 4.55 plus or minus 1% is stated as fact in textbooks and on websites. This to me is fudging the truth. If you don’t know say, you don’t know. Dinosaurs died out 70, no, 65, no...65.5 million years ago. What’s 500,000 years anyway, give or take a few millennia.(I hear brainwashing is equally as fun.)

We actually agree on something! Perhaps( and I say this with caution) I should be more against science mixing with politics as I am with religion mixing with politics, than I am against science itself.I have just had some of the most arrogant pompous asses all looking down their noses as me because I challenge what they so religiously assume. I am called "ignorant" because I have the gall to say "hey wait a minute, you are not making any logical sense." I am told to just shut up and “believe” or “trust” the experts and keep my “hillbilly” self under a rock. Evolutionists are not special ultra smart untouchable people that have a pure heart and never lie, never do things for money of fame (because they are scientist stupid) and always, always show the truth with no bias EVER. Please! The very essence of one’s world view dictates what one will pursue as truth.

Note to anyone who opposes evolution, you are a flat earth hillbilly. It is ok for an evolutionist to lie and/or make mistakes, misrepresent evidence, get artist to render up a fake pic of Lucy with feet and hands, but don’t you EVER, EVER question them!

You sound like the one ranting and raving right now! Usually when someone starts flinging insults, it shows lack of intellignece and patience. I have yet to insult any of you on this thread about evolution lies. I have yet to use profanity or call any of you names. Congratulations on being the first melt-down!Rule number 10Keep discussion civil and avoid inflammatory behavior that might distract attention from the topic. Argue the position, not the person. Edited by Dont Be a Flea, : Why rule number 10 of course!

Im glad you sent me the link to your homepage. I will read every word. Im going on vacation tomorrow to North Carolina so you may not see me for acouple days.PEACE!By the way, Rocky Balboa has taken Ivan Drago's best shots, he is cut and he is bleeding, but he is still on his feet!Edited by Dont Be a Flea, : Just having fun...

Very well said. I give you a "Touché"However, the argument works both ways. Science (as it is) can be every bit as bias and stereotypical as religion. Just ask anyone that tries to oppose evolution with a different theory.

You are correct, here is the proper quote.“The Earth spoke to Byran from his own state of Nebraska. The Hesperopithecus tooth is like the still, small voice. Its sound is by no means easy to hear... This little tooth speaks volumes of truth, in that it affords evidence of man's descent from apes.” ~ Dr. Henry Fairfield Osborn of Columbia University, head of the American Museum of Natural HistoryI will correct any mistakes I make, and I promise, It wont take 40 years!

So, you are saying that scientist are always objective? They would never falsify data or misrepresent it? They are pure at heart and always want the truth, never financial gain, or self-promotion? WOW! I should become a scientist (however you get that title) so I can be 100% truth.It’s the media’s fault isn’t it? Scientist would never commission an artist to render an image based on miniscule findings. It’s all the bohemians of the world that take science and bend it to suit their needs. (Why would that be?)So who should be in question, science or the media?See, a creationist doesn’t need science. Science needs science and in a pure form, science is a great tool. However, we introduce the human factor. Just like politics and religion, science is just as corrupt. I see how the scientific community will laugh at any idea that doesn’t fit their mold. It prevents other discoveries from happening.Scientist love to hop over that boundary between fact and faith. They take small amounts of data to build a big picture and call it proven. Faith is the ability to believe without seeing, and there are a lot of “scientific” theories and ideas that leap over fact and into faith. Because most evolutionist rule out the possibility of the existence of a God, they would never even consider the possibility of a “creator” or “designer” so any evidence, regardless of how lucrative or miniscule would automatically be dismissed as “not science” but faith. It amazes me just how faithful science is.I watch the History Channel and it seems that science argues with science all the time. It also seems that the most popular idea is the one that is “fact”. I watched a show on the origin of life and it truly amazed me. They argued back and forth about things they had no idea about. It was a bunch of interesting theories and possibilities, but even under the most controlled experiments, they could not reproduce organic material from inorganic. Yet, they ping ponged to and fro about which possibility was the most suitable. One will eventually win, whether we “evolved” from crystals or clay and it will be “fact”. Oh boy, cant wait!They used mega-tools to try to recreate the origin of life and could not do it. They used controlled environment and complex machinery and still could not do it. And they expect me to just “believe” in good “faith” that it was some kind of freak accident?What is this mysterious force of evolution and what fuels it? It seems to have no consciousness, but, out of nothing, create everything including human thought and emotion. Interesting . .I don’t trust what the latest greatest scientific discovery is any more that a politician promising to lower the gas prices or a priest saying its wrong to drink. There are always more things to question, not just taking the word of a person full of flaws.Sorry if I get your goat....or perhapes its the common ancestor of you and your goat?

I’m not trying to prove creation.Creation is not provable. It takes faith to believe, just like life came from inorganic material. Similar to the "big bang", you cant really prove it, it takes faith based on arguable data. It takes faith to believe that nothing generated something that generated everything. It takes faith to believe that life came from rocks and elements. Until we see evolution happen spontaneously before our eyes, (hence your self correcting scientific method) it is just a theory that is arguable and unproven.

So the tables are turned...“During his eight days as a part-time high school biology teacher at the nearby Central Oregon high school, Kris Helphinstine, 27, included Biblical references in material he provided to students and gave a PowerPoint presentation that made links between evolution, Nazi Germany and Planned Parenthood. That was enough for the Sisters School Board, which fired the teacher Monday night for deviating from the curriculum on the theory of evolution, the Associated Press reported today.” ~ Newwest.netSo, deviate, question, pose a new theory, if you DARE! Please, don't try to think for yourself, it will only result in pain and suffering for you. We are all just mind-numbed robots at the mercy of the pure heart that is "science".

They were argueing over the origin of life. Scientist were trying numerous experiments to make “living” organic material from “non-living” inorganic material in a man-made, controlled environment. There were contentious results argued by other scientist who were not "impressed" with the experiments.

I was answering the wonderful post on the Monkey Trials by dwise1, which does not have any bearing on this tread either . Edited by Dont Be a Flea, : Fixing...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ~ the ConstitutionThe separation of Church and State? This is off the beaten path, but there is no such thing according the first ammendment. There is nothing to "violate".

I am not angry at anyone. I am simply questioning. Did I ever say I was angry? Passionate maybe, but angry, no. I was insulted numerous times on this thread and with the exception of one person agreeing with me, I am alone on this tread. Did I ever insult any of you? I don’t think so. We are not talking about creationist lies on this thread I don’t see how finding lies in one thing takes them away from another. Sort of like . .I killed a man, but the guy in the cell next to me killed 2 men, therefore I’m innocent. ??????? Of course I’m questioning evolution and the holes therein. If you are an evolutionist or Darwinist, then you are biased against a creationist. I am not angry nor am I ranting. We aren’t discussing creationist lies again, but you may submit that topic to the admins for approval and we can start a new thread. Perhaps I should be replacing all the terms “science” and “scientist” with “evolution” and “Darwinists”. That is who I have the real issue with.

Calm the pack down there Coyote.I will not drop Nebraska man, It was a misrepresentation of the proof of evolution. Call it a mistake, hoax, uh-oh or whatever. I never said that everyone always deliberately forges everything all the time. I think evolutionists are so eager to prove what they believe, and they need notoriety and funding, that they will rush to a conclusion with insufficient data.Working on more fossil record misques.You guys must have awesome jobs to be able to post up all hours of the day. I have trouble juggling this forum with every day life. It may take me longer.